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Yes, Demons are part of Going Rogue, but like Dual Pistols pre-purchasers will have a chance to play them before than (currently pencilled in as "In April").|
Originally Posted by Blue_Centurion
Are MMs finally getting some more power choices? I heard that they were getting demons with going rogue, truth?
I have tried various times to get a Necro up in level, but seemed to always abandon it when the dum,b looking tier 2 pets show up. Zombies cool, but grave knight? Anyways, what's the story here? |
You think the zombies look cool but the skeleton warriors with 2 pronged broadswords don't?
BURN THE HERETIC!!!
Stay here whilest I go fetch a mob, some pitchforks, a few torches and some kindling please.
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Meh. Not all of us want undead vikings for lieutenants. |
Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
Yes, Demons are part of Going Rogue, but like Dual Pistols pre-purchasers will have a chance to play them before than (currently pencilled in as "In April").
You think the zombies look cool but the skeleton warriors with 2 pronged broadswords don't? BURN THE HERETIC!!! Stay here whilest I go fetch a mob, some pitchforks, a few torches and some kindling please. |
*Hopes for the day my zombies can be just plain old zombies, even with their goodies*
I would LOVE, however, skeleton minions.
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Originally Posted by Seldom
Meh. Not all of us want undead vikings for lieutenants.
*Hopes for the day my zombies can be just plain old zombies, even with their goodies* I would LOVE, however, skeleton minions. |
They're not vikings silly.
They were just on their way to a fancy dress party when they were summoned (and the Lich had just gotten out of the shower).
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Originally Posted by Carnifax_NA
They're not vikings silly.
They were just on their way to a fancy dress party when they were summoned (and the Lich had just gotten out of the shower). |
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I swear I've heard them saying "Chug, chug, chug" when my back is turned. That explains the trail of beer bottles that mysterious show up occasionally too.|
Originally Posted by Seldom
Or they're football fans from Minnesota?
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I've never even questioned the helmets before now, I think my Skeleton Warrior abuse in Baldurs Gate 2 (no, not that sort of abuse) conditioned me to think Skeleton Warrior = Horned Helmet.
That and Games Workshop. I thought all skeletons wore pointy hats.
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If I got skeletons I would be Necroing like it was 1399! Why the heck can we not customize minions? And why the heck is there no simple skeleton anything anywhere in this game??? should probably put this in the Devs line, but I started it here and they never seem to listen to me. Plus i never win costume contests. Wah.
Dont worry. Demons are gonna be amazing.
What makes you say that?
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A 'raised bar' hope, put in place by Dual Pistols being rather impressive? Also, Demon Summoning gets a whip as a personal weapon, something that was previously said to be impossible. I think everyones hoping it will turn out well, really.
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NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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If it's the MM equivalent to Dual Pistols, I'll be very upset. You are one of the few that believes Dual Pistols to be impressive. Visually it's impressive, although sometimes overdone. But as far as gameplay is concerned, it's rather weak and underwhelming.
I hope Demon Summoning is not just a shiny, pretty set that isn't going to have much substance when it comes to numbers and playability.
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Well the updater says its comming in April, so if u have the pre-order, wouldnt be that long for you test yourself |
Originally Posted by Spizzie
If it's the MM equivalent to Dual Pistols, I'll be very upset. You are one of the few that believes Dual Pistols to be impressive. Visually it's impressive, although sometimes overdone. But as far as gameplay is concerned, it's rather weak and underwhelming.
I hope Demon Summoning is not just a shiny, pretty set that isn't going to have much substance when it comes to numbers and playability. |
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Spruced that up for you a little, chief. If they do as good a job on Demon Summoning as they did on Dual Pistols, I will be very happy.
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Originally Posted by Spizzie
If it's the MM equivalent to Dual Pistols, I'll be STOKED AS HELL. You are one of the GREAT MANY PEOPLE that believes Dual Pistols to be impressive. Visually it's impressive, although sometimes overdone. But as far as gameplay is concerned, it's rather VARIED AND INTERESTING AND MORE THAN UP TO THE TASK.
I hope Demon Summoning is not just a shiny, pretty set that isn't going to have much substance when it comes to numbers and playability. |
I, too, would love for the Zombies to look like Skeletons instead. If they did, I probably wouldn't ever play any other power set. Zombies are OK, and the puke is great, but they look stupid.
Maybe one day they'll allow for customization of graphics such that your zombies would look like Skeletons, and their cone attack could use a fire breath or sonic howl animation but show black/negative energy.
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If you judge a set by how powerful it is, then unfortunately for you the devs will make it their mission to disappoint you. The whole philosophy of the game is that no set is meant to be any more powerful than the others, even new sets. They actually do a lot of data-mining just to make sure this is so. |
Originally Posted by Spizzie
If it's the MM equivalent to Dual Pistols, I'll be very upset. You are one of the few that believes Dual Pistols to be impressive. Visually it's impressive, although sometimes overdone. But as far as gameplay is concerned, it's rather weak and underwhelming.
I hope Demon Summoning is not just a shiny, pretty set that isn't going to have much substance when it comes to numbers and playability. |
There are certain situations where pistols really really shine, and others where they're just ordinary, or even seem underpowered. It's a very situational set.
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I judge a set by how -capable- it is. Dual Pistols is at the bottom 3 in both AoE and ST damage. Now, for a Blaster, whose main purpose is dealing out damage, that's just not acceptable. The problem is that DP is only situational. Situational powers are sometimes useful. Situational powersets for a damage dealer? Doesn't make too much sense.|
Originally Posted by Berzerker_NA
If you judge a set by how powerful it is, then unfortunately for you the devs will make it their mission to disappoint you. The whole philosophy of the game is that no set is meant to be any more powerful than the others, even new sets. They actually do a lot of data-mining just to make sure this is so.
There are certain situations where pistols really really shine, and others where they're just ordinary, or even seem underpowered. It's a very situational set. |
Now for DP to have such low damage, the only way to make up for that is by superior mitigation via control/debuff, which DP certainly doesn't have. The devs admitted that Swap Ammo really doesn't make a large difference. So with very poor damage and average mitigation, it's easy to call DP an underperforming, below average set. Yet it's so pretty visually, it's attractive right now. Later on, that brand-new sparkle that DP has will no longer be enough. And all of this is ignoring it's horribly long animation times (although that is the main reason that it's DPS is so low).
Now, do I want DP to be on the level of Fire or Archery? No, not at all. I understand that some powersets have to be poor for others to shine comparitively. But why make a bad set, rather than a middle-of-the-road set? I'd consider Energy/ a pretty solid, average set. Why not make it closer to Energy/? Or Sonic/? Or Rad/? At the very least, HoB needs a damage and a recharge upgrade (more damage, less recharge, or both, as well as maybe a defense bonus while it animates).
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure one could build a competitive DP character, but most other sets will out-perform them given the same available funds.
The point I want to make about Demon Summoning is that I hope it's fairly competitive while visually pretty, not one or the other. I'll still play it even if it is just pretty (and it is oh-so gorgeous, from what I've seen) I just hope it's not worse than Mercs.
But if you really get down to it, there's no bad MM primary, even Mercs. It's just not as good at AoE as Thugs or Bots, and not as good at ST as Ninjas or as good at controls as Necro (although it's solid at controls). But it certainly isn't horrible.
I'll admit that I'm a little bit hesitant about building a DP blaster. They make great Defenders, and Corruptors, though. I like that the first power in the set has a def debuff, and then there's a good variety of side effects. I think the versatility is it's main selling point, and it has quite a lot of that.
But, you know: a blaster doesn't really get much benefit out of the side effects when they're weak effects overall.
The problem with Dual Pistols is that it's not a damage dealer on its own, plain and simple. It's Tier 9 can miss doing damage altogether, its animation times are slow, its Cone is small, and Swap Ammo for Blasters is pretty much skippable. Most of all, the best power in the set(Piercing Rounds) pretty much highlights both slow/goofy animation and the unnecessary nature of Swap Ammo. I had hopes for it to turn out good for Blasters, but it just sort of turned out like a gimmicky dazzle set.
Also: Aim would of been nice, but wouldn't of done anything in the way of fixing any of these problems.
As for defender sets, on the other hand, the def debuff in it's bottom tier attack means you can add it to the list of Assault Rifle and Radiation as great attack powers to pair with Dark Miasma and Kinetics. The rest of the powers are all just for show after that. It's not like defenders really deal a lot of damage either way.
I also might try it with Trick Arrow, just for the ability to ignite my own Oil Slick.
Well said , DP is by far the most ridiculous powerset ive see...Flashy with no substance.
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If it's the MM equivalent to Dual Pistols, I'll be very upset. You are one of the few that believes Dual Pistols to be impressive. Visually it's impressive, although sometimes overdone. But as far as gameplay is concerned, it's rather weak and underwhelming.|
Originally Posted by VeRySeLDoM
Well said , DP is by far the most ridiculous powerset ive see...Flashy with no substance.
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I hope Demon Summoning is not just a shiny, pretty set that isn't going to have much substance when it comes to numbers and playability.
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I think you meant to quote the other guy, rather than yourself. May want to delete one of the posts and edit the other |
Originally Posted by VeRySeLDoM
If it's the MM equivalent to Dual Pistols, I'll be very upset. You are one of the few that believes Dual Pistols to be impressive. Visually it's impressive, although sometimes overdone. But as far as gameplay is concerned, it's rather weak and underwhelming.
I hope Demon Summoning is not just a shiny, pretty set that isn't going to have much substance when it comes to numbers and playability. |
(Not that it's a big deal or anything, just kind of funny 
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Are MMs finally getting some more power choices? I heard that they were getting demons with going rogue, truth?
I have tried various times to get a Necro up in level, but seemed to always abandon it when the dum,b looking tier 2 pets show up. Zombies cool, but grave knight? Anyways, what's the story here?