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Originally Posted by Bayani
Well, until I hit my milestone.
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I've been working with artist Sal Velluto on a Bayani vs. the Sky Raiders piece. This is probably one of the most complicated pieces I've had done, next to the two page splash. My proposed idea was for Bayani to be leaping from Mae-Day's "borrowed" skiff and crashing through the cockpit of another Sky Skiff in a mid-air chase. This was his counter-proposal of sorts. I liked the idea of Bayani deflecting incoming blasts as he and Mae-Day were being chased and appreciated the forethought Sal had in creating room for a Cover Logo and blurb but I wanted something that didn't look too static.
Second revision. The Sky Raiders were moved to fill up the negative space. Bayani's pose is changed to something a little more Silver Surferish so he doesn't look as awkward. The buildings were created a bit taller to clarify the perspective and better indicate that Bayani/Mae-Day are falling fast with maximum danger and no escape, which heightens the action.
Love seeing these concepts Bayani. I like the changes you made from piece 1 to piece 2 ... though I love Bayani's pose in piece 2, I do find it a little "foolish" that he isn't even looking at his attackers while having no protection from their shots. But he is a hero ... so it all works.
I think the smoke and stuff will really help with the impression of "falling" because even with the very "a propos" changes to the building that did help the perspective and the action ... it still seems like it could look a little static. I would just be afraid for them to look as if they were on the ground. But, I am sure that will all work itself out when the details are worked into the piece.
Looking forward to seeing another one of your great pieces come together.
Great imagination as always.
Thanks, Thornster. I thought about that too, but I figure Bayani would prioritize keeping his balance on the skiff, and use his senses and counting on his sidekick's piloting skills to weave through incoming fire. I am a bit concerned too that the speed might not come through on the piece, but I trust the artist will come through here with the finer details. Sal's a long-time pro in the business.
Much better sense of what's going on in the revision, Bayani. I can't wait to see the progression on this.
I'm still thinking that one of Bayani's swords should be posed in a way that is blocking at least one of the Sky Raiders. While the new pose looks a lot more energetic, it almost seems like he's attacking Mae-Day. If he was actively defending, it would make their relationship a lot more clear in the piece.
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Originally Posted by Suichiro
I'm still thinking that one of Bayani's swords should be posed in a way that is blocking at least one of the Sky Raiders. While the new pose looks a lot more energetic, it almost seems like he's attacking Mae-Day. If he was actively defending, it would make their relationship a lot more clear in the piece.
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What about a compromise? Something like Bayani takes a knee (or even squatting just like in the 2nd sketch only lower) and has one hand flat on the skiff with his fingers grabbing on tight while his opposite hand is up and behind him using the fire sword to deflect an incoming shot.
Still gives him the Silver Surfer-ish dynamic stance and he is also clearly hanging on (even more so if you have really play up his clenched fingers) which adds to the look of falling speed (this could also be shown in his hair as it would be at an odd angle which could flair it) while still being actively defensive, I think he would still showcase well.
It would also address Thornster's point of not facing your attackers and Suichiro's point and make it clear he is not attacking Mae-Day.
The though that occurred to me is, when faced with such a dire situation, his training would take over and give him a the best compromise of secure footing and combat readiness.
I've got this Bayani ...
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Originally Posted by Bayani
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Hehe. Well, Bayani does have impervium armor weaved into his outfit and can use his internal energy to form a Fire Shield around him, so it's not like he'd be too worried about surviving shots. I think plummeting out of the sky is the more imminent danger so staying balanced would be the best course of action. He could've reasoned that it's unlikely that at their speeds, the Sky Raiders could be super super accurate, and he doesn't have a lot of space to dodge and maneuver. I think some dialogue would add to the piece; there's some room on the right for word balloons. I'm still pondering possible exchanges there.
THe picture is suppose to accompany a story that Mae-Day's player and I have been working on to detail how they met. One of Bayani's weaknesses is that he can't drive. At all. (Even flunked the driver's test 7 times). Bayani can't really chase after Sky Raiders using a grappling hook so when Mae-Day shows up with a "borrowed" Sky Skiff...well...hi-jinks ensue.
Was thinking something like this...
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Yeah I know not the best rough pose sketch lol but you get the idea.
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Originally Posted by Thornster
I've got this Bayani ...
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Originally Posted by ChristopherRobin
D'oh! Well that sinks that idea... ahem, nevermind.
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Glad to no there other Artist out there, that can draw, keep up the good work.
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Originally Posted by Bayani
Hehe. Well, Bayani does have impervium armor weaved into his outfit and can use his internal energy to form a Fire Shield around him, so it's not like he'd be too worried about surviving shots. I think plummeting out of the sky is the more imminent danger so staying balanced would be the best course of action. He could've reasoned that it's unlikely that at their speeds, the Sky Raiders could be super super accurate, and he doesn't have a lot of space to dodge and maneuver. I think some dialogue would add to the piece; there's some room on the right for word balloons. I'm still pondering possible exchanges there.
THe picture is suppose to accompany a story that Mae-Day's player and I have been working on to detail how they met. One of Bayani's weaknesses is that he can't drive. At all. (Even flunked the driver's test 7 times). Bayani can't really chase after Sky Raiders using a grappling hook so when Mae-Day shows up with a "borrowed" Sky Skiff...well...hi-jinks ensue. |
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Originally Posted by GreenFIame
Glad to no there other Artist out there, that can draw, keep up the good work.
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Maybe he means that he likes seeing art from people who've never had their art posted around these parts before? Irregardless, thanks. =)
Updated Revision:
So, I decided I wasn't completely thrilled with the way things ended up, meaning I should've paid closer attention during the thumbnails section. I ended up having to go back a few steps and get a major revision in order avoid Bayani's not-so-cool expression and still relatively passive pose in the above pencils.
Proposal Revision:
So while I like the idea of Bayani deflecting incoming bullets, I liked the idea of him projecting a retaliatory fiery blast of chi more. The dynamic pose is maintained, and now the interaction between the parties goes both ways, with the added pop of a Sky Raider taking a Bayani Ha-Do-Ken to the face.
Cool I like several of the improvements made in this and it addresses several of the points made in the feedback here. Nice. 
I still think a three point stance (his left hand resting on the Skiff) would be more stable, even more so now that he is returning fire, and considering the speed you want to depict (i.e. when things are going really really fast you grab onto whatever you can and hold on tight).
Also and if his chi blasts have an equal and opposite reaction effect on him in his current pose I think he might topple... other than looking cool what purpose does having his left arm up in the air serve?
P.S. Bonus points for the Street Fighter reference!
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I still think a three point stance (his left hand resting on the Skiff) would be more stable, even more so now that he is returning fire, and considering the speed you want to depict (i.e. when things are going really really fast you grab onto whatever you can and hold on tight). Also and if is chi blasts have an equal and opposite reaction effect on him in his current pose I think he might topple... other than looking cool what purpose does having his left arm up in the air serve?
CR, while your points may be valid concerns if we were talking about a normal man, we're dealing with Bayani. He's a character in a fictional story. While your ideas would make the picture more realistic (as realistic as an illustration of a fire manipulating martial artist battling futuristic space soldiers across a cityscape can get), I think it would make for a less dynamic picture and story. All of the rules that apply to you and me don't necessarily have to apply to a superhero. I don't think a two point stance here takes anything away from the illustration.
I was very impressed with Red Valkyrja's commission from BAKArt and had to see for myself if he was for real. I decided to give him a shot at coloring the She-Hulk/Bayani piece "Contempt of Courtship" to color, which was penciled by Yvel Guichet and inked by Joe Rubinstein.
So uh, to say he passed was an understatement. I'm very pleased with the results and look forward to seeing him tackle a few other pieces in the future.
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Originally Posted by ChristopherRobin
I still think a three point stance (his left hand resting on the Skiff) would be more stable, even more so now that he is returning fire, and considering the speed you want to depict (i.e. when things are going really really fast you grab onto whatever you can and hold on tight). Also and if is chi blasts have an equal and opposite reaction effect on him in his current pose I think he might topple... other than looking cool what purpose does having his left arm up in the air serve? |
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Originally Posted by Bayani
CR, while your points may be valid concerns if we were talking about a normal man, we're dealing with Bayani. He's a character in a fictional story. While your ideas would make the picture more realistic (as realistic as an illustration of a fire manipulating martial artist battling futuristic space soldiers across a cityscape can get), I think it would make for a less dynamic picture and story. All of the rules that apply to you and me don't necessarily have to apply to a superhero. I don't think a two point stance here takes anything away from the illustration.
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Originally Posted by DemonCaller
................... "As for the "is it real?" aspect...which I should know better than to enter. It's not. But it's cool, and fun...kinda like watching a Star Wars movie. No, people can't really do those cool moves you see Liam Neeson (or his stunt double) do, part of that was probably computer generated. But damn, it looks like fun and looks cool! And a lot of us have wished at times (usually as kids) that we could do cool, fun, Jedi stuff, or cool, fun, superpowered stuff..! That's why we play MMOs!"................
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Originally Posted by Bayani
I was very impressed with Red Valkyrja's commission from BAKArt and had to see for myself if he was for real. I decided to give him a shot at coloring the She-Hulk/Bayani piece "Contempt of Courtship" to color, which was penciled by Yvel Guichet and inked by Joe Rubinstein.
So uh, to say he passed was an understatement. I'm very pleased with the results and look forward to seeing him tackle a few other pieces in the future. |
"Contempt of Courtship" is one of my favorites pieces in Bayani's gallery. Jen Walters in flirtatious lawyer mode is classic.
Thanks. =) I thought it'd be fun to do a few "crossing worlds" type pieces, so I started off with my two favorite superheroines from the Big 2.
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Originally Posted by Comrade Hero
"Contempt of Courtship" is one of my favorites pieces in Bayani's gallery. Jen Walters in flirtatious lawyer mode is classic.
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