Changes to BotZ coming.

For those that haven't read it, there is a discussion about upcoming changes to the set bonuses from the Blessing of the Zephyr set. There is a planned reduction to the defensive bonuses that are currently being given.

The thread is here.


Please be aware that soft capped builds using BotZ's will probably not be soft capped anymore.

Personally I could never fit the bonus into a build so I never slotted them, plus I knew it had to be too good to last.

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In general it hasn't greatly effected my toons all that much either. I've had to look at a SD/ build here and there to work around it. If nothing else I figured it was good to bring it to the tank communities attention.

Well, that stinks but I understand why they're doing it; it really was too good to be true.

In any case, it's definitely more of a blow for positional defense sets than typed, I think I'm going to have to rework the builds of my Shield tank and SR scrapper.

I didn't think it was overpowered, and so I kinda think it sucks due to the time / cost loss for having to rebuild a character if a cascading change effect causes you to totally alter your build.

I got lucky tho and build my Shield/Elec tanker to 50% to Melee, Ranged, and Global, with only one ranged bonus coming from a BOTZ. Therefore, I'll drop from 50% ranged to 48% ranged or something. My 6 super reflexes scrappers were also mostly OK for similar reasons: I usually didn't even use it, and when I did, it was always just one range value. In most cases I was just able to push out a 5-slotted red fortune to 6 slots and still remain at the cap (since I usually build to 47.5%) ... or at least at 46.5% (not at the cap if defense debuffed but with 1%).

Lewis

It's going to affect me less than I feared. I have a fairly hard rule: I build for generic IOs and SOs, and add set bonuses only to the places where the IOs would be going without regard to the bonuses. I make minor variations from this principle --- I never used to slot Taunt at all --- but they're relatively few.

No travel power ever gets more than 2 slots, and the defense based characters that benefit from this don't give more than 2 slots to travel powers, if that, and do not need more knockback protection. No tanker or scrapper that slotted two of these was using them to softcap.

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Of all the ATs, this affects my tanks the least. My Shields tank will be fine. So at least on this forum, I say to you, "Meh". Now my controllers/defenders/blasters...

Despite the actual math, I still don't feel it was overpowered. As it turns out, none of my actual builds were using more than 1 set of them anyway, and even then, usually just 2 out of the 3 for one ranged value. So, I'll have to be pissed in theory, not in practice.



Lewis

I think it's a bit too hard a nerf... I do understand the reasoning and for that matter agree that it was probably too high originally; I'd think a 50% reduction was probably in order, which would be 1.88% Ranged/AOE instead of the 1.25% value it's currently going to.

Personally it doesn't severely affect any of my characters; my BS/Shield scrapper can compensate by simply adding two Mako's Bite IO's to one attack, replacing a couple of Pounding Slugfest I had for the regen bonus. My Invuln build will loose a small amount of E/N defense that I'll have to make up somewhere but I don't see that being a severe problem.

It DOES affect my (projected) Fire/EM blaster's build, but at this point I'm still working toward his build and acquiring IO's so nothing's set in stone yet. I got a couple of BotZ KB IO's on merit rolls a few days ago and am very glad I sold them right away instead of keeping them... I expect prices to tank severely on those IO's. No, I'm not in the closed beta and I didn't have advance notice when I sold them; I just thought I could use the $70 million per recipe more than hanging onto them until my blaster could use them.

If you can it'd probably be a good idea to sell any BotZ you may have quickly before the market totally crashes on them, if it hasn't already.

Ack, double post

I feel bad for those who have invested heavily in the BotZ set, especially those who have slotted multiple sets in a build. The existing mode of respec makes it difficult to save more than ten unslotted enhancements.

On the surface, you look at the defense bonus values and they are exceptional for the minimal slotting investment and can understand why the devs want to make a change to them. Also considering they were stackable in multiple travel powers you could pile up some defense bonuses if you went that route. I have no problems seeing them bring BotZ in line with their accordance. Personally, I still feel they are good sets even after the change to the defense values but those relying on them to bring them to softcap will obviously have to live with the change or find other avenues to get to back to that point.

Full disclosure, the change does not affect any of my existing toons for two simple reasons: None of my alts use BotZ and I don't generally invest slots in my travel powers (excepting Fly/Hover but thats on two toons).

I think the market is already reflecting this change and BotZ have already come down in price at several range levels from my last check.

It does mean one annoying build change to one of my scrappers who was so near perfectly built to tank most AVs with confront. I still don't know how I am going to get such perfection back. Edit: not without getting real expensive.

I feel bad for the people who bought the two BotZ pieces I put up on WW's in the last few days.

No I don't. I needed the Inf. :P