I thought you meant something like this.
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I see no katana nor gun so I don't know where you got that :P
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Originally Posted by The_Thorny_Devil
I thought you meant something like this.
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I'll admit there's no katana, but like a "Where's Waldo?" puzzle, you can find both a gun and a blade if you look hard enough.
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Originally Posted by Shuriken_BladeX
I see no katana nor gun so I don't know where you got that :P
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Gunblades were real weapons. Squaresoft modernized them and made them known, but they really did exist.
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Originally Posted by Risko_Vinsheen
It could work great for a Dominator Assault set. As it is I don't think Dominators have really any Natural attack sets, so something combining a sword and gun [maybe not a gunblade as Squaresoft might sue] could make a good set for them.
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Technically they existed, sure. But the 'gun' part of the gunblade was about as effective for long-ranged combat as a bayonete was for a swordfight.
You don't use bayonetes to fight in melee, except as a last resort. You use them to poke bodies on the battlefield and make sure they're dead.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
Personally, I still prefer gunblade ideas (possibly dual gunbaldes) over gun and blade ideas, myself. I realise Oniblade/X-Blades is not a very good game, but I still love the gunblades it offers us. In fact, let me see if I can't get a screenshot... No dice. I had one, just apparently not online.
Basically, what Ayumi's gunblades consisted of was one part gunblade like what Squall Lionheart had (his didn't shoot) and two parts actual gun. From what I could tell, it was basically a double-barrelled, double-drimmed revolver with a large blade protruding from between the two barrels so the rounds came out parallel to the blade.
The game might not have been great, but I LOVED that gunblade design.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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I fully support this as a melee set. Even heard of gun-fu?? Just because you use a gun, doesn't mean you have to do ranged attacks. Devs can just make a Spines-like melee powerset, using a katana and a firing the gun at Point-Blank range. They can also put one or two close range attacks using only the gun, much like Spines.
Just give me Swashbuckling Assault already! 
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Only because *all* guns made at the time were pretty shite. There were some gunblades, and even gunaxes, in the Doge's Palace armoury in Venice when I visited there. If they did that with modern firearm tech, you'd have something a lot more feasible and useful.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Technically they existed, sure. But the 'gun' part of the gunblade was about as effective for long-ranged combat as a bayonete was for a swordfight.
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Perhaps a new PEAT, Praetorian Epic Archtype....not the moss.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
The concept isn't out of the realm of possibility for this game. The big question is what AT should it fall under. For example if you'll look at the Blaster AT the Energy secondary set is a melee powerset. I'm sure if the devs wanted they could put something together.
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I'm comparing them to contemporary ranged weapons. Those gunblades were the shite of the shite when it came to ranged combat.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Only because *all* guns made at the time were pretty shite. There were some gunblades, and even gunaxes, in the Doge's Palace armoury in Venice when I visited there. If they did that with modern firearm tech, you'd have something a lot more feasible and useful.
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The blade portion was serviceable enough, though.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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There's nothing stopping you from keeping the round away from the metal of the blade with proper construction, unless you're talking about some kind of gas pressure effect that would throw it off.|
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
I'm comparing them to contemporary ranged weapons. Those gunblades were the shite of the shite when it came to ranged combat.
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And even if medieval melee firearms were crap, so what? You think our omnigun looks like something that would make sense in real life? Or, hell, our pulse rifle? Claim future technologies and just roll with it.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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they were going to add such a powerset when the trailer came out but they decided not , cause it will be a very OP set
Not really, a set's only overpowered if the numbers make it overpowered.
I think the problem is this set would only really be appropriate for maybe Blasters and Dominators, and it'd have to be nearly all attacks anyway; Blaster secondaries usually have some controls and utility powers, only Dominators really have a mixed offense secondary.
Last I remember, BaB doesn't like sets like Spines having melee and ranged, and they're only still around because of the grandfather clause/cottage rule.
The devs are probably regretting letting the Korean marketing team make Spark Blade right now.
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That's why I keep saying we need an Assault/Defence AT where these kinds of exotic sets would be truly appropriate and truly working to theme. Gunblade isn't even the only set like this. There's plenty of room for combined melee/ranged powersets even beyond the scope of what Assault gives us.|
Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire
I think the problem is this set would only really be appropriate for maybe Blasters and Dominators, and it'd have to be nearly all attacks anyway; Blaster secondaries usually have some controls and utility powers, only Dominators really have a mixed offense secondary.
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That totally would rule.
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Originally Posted by Basilisk
Here I thought you meant a gun that fired katanas. I was like "YES!"
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well tbh many ppl referred to the procs (the chances of purples and glads) it will have. it will rule in melee and in range. just imagine that set with a regen. no problem to duel any AT and no need to build it for melee or range cause it can farm* both. anyway that's my opinion too. but again you are right about the numbers. but still imagine this set played like a blaster with critical hits and armors with it
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Originally Posted by Prof_Backfire
Not really, a set's only overpowered if the numbers make it overpowered.
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Huh? I'm talking about the gunblade weapons that did exist in the real world, and comparing them to their weaponry contemporaries. At the time that they were used in the real world, gunblades were decent swords, but sucked ball for guns. In a similar fashion, a rifle with a bayonet attached was a decent gun, but sucked balls if you tried to use it like a sword.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
There's nothing stopping you from keeping the round away from the metal of the blade with proper construction, unless you're talking about some kind of gas pressure effect that would throw it off.
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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It's unlikely that a set like this would be given to anyone except Dominators, or an EAT designed with this set in mind.
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Originally Posted by lll Phoenix lll
well tbh many ppl referred to the procs (the chances of purples and glads) it will have. it will rule in melee and in range. just imagine that set with a regen. no problem to duel any AT and no need to build it for melee or range cause it can farm* both. anyway that's my opinion too. but again you are right about the numbers. but still imagine this set played like a blaster with critical hits and armors with it
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I probably missed the context within which you said it, but it looked like you were suggesting the idea of gunblades was implausible based on historical precedent, when I'm pretty sure anyone who actually asks for one (or two) of the things is already pretty much aware it's a silly concept, but cool nonetheless. I doubt we're going to get that, of course, for the simple fact that it's not a new powerset but rather a combination of existing ones.|
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Huh? I'm talking about the gunblade weapons that did exist in the real world, and comparing them to their weaponry contemporaries. At the time that they were used in the real world, gunblades were decent swords, but sucked ball for guns. In a similar fashion, a rifle with a bayonet attached was a decent gun, but sucked balls if you tried to use it like a sword.
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Then again, why NOT a Gunblade Assault set that basically uses a combination of adapted Dual Blades attacks and Dual Pistols attacks? I'd play that, and I don't even play Dominators
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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i know. that's what im saying. that they didnt give it to scrappers |
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
It's unlikely that a set like this would be given to anyone except Dominators, or an EAT designed with this set in mind.
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They could and it still wouldn't be over powered. Scrappers have spines? That has a couple ranged attacks.
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Originally Posted by lll Phoenix lll
i know. that's what im saying. that they didnt give it to scrappers
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Spines' (and Claws') ranged attacks have no more distance than a blast set's "short range" attack.
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Well I'm not saying the set has to have extreme range. It would just be a cool option. I know executioners shot could be put in there. That doesn't have to much range to it. I'm pretty sure the moves from the set (if it was made) would be just as epic as dual pistols.
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