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Being fun and being people's mains does not automatically make an powerset/AT a good farm toon. I highly doubt that a WS will be for you if you are simply looking for a farmer.|
Originally Posted by redbear42
ive been looking at warshades a lot closer then i usually did when i saw a lot of ppl calling it their mains and saying how fun it is to play them. once i looked at the powers i said wow, this looks like a blast. so i wanna make a warshade farmer... can some1 post up a good build. ive seen a few and they were good but either they didnt appeal to me or was way to expensive. Things im looking for: perma eclipse and hasten, good damage, as human as possible(meaning dodge the 2 forms but if extra room then go for crab form...), and my price range is around 500mil-1bil
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But anyway...there are plenty of builds lying around in quick sight that will be able to farm just fine. They probably won't suit your needs per se, but hey, they're already there and can be modified if that would make you feel better. Nova form will be doing the most damage and will probably be quickest. I don't see an all-human or even a human/dwarf being quick at all. Perma Hasten isn't that useful, making sure it's up all the time will be annoying while you are switching forms (Tri or maybe Dual-Nova/Human will be fastest farmers). Perma Eclipse only takes about 88% global recharge.
Here, look at these threads, all within first few pages of the Kheldian section. They all have builds that will very likely be able to farm well enough. Pick one, post it with some of your own ideas or questions, and I'm sure we'd be a lot more willing to lend a hand.
In fact, there's a thread on the 3rd page that is titled "Farming Warshade". Please search for answers/builds first.
Here's one with good builds in it. IMO, at least (since I helped edit it...) Great example of a perma-eclipse tri-former while being fairly cheap (as in, no purple/pvp IO's...)
Here's one with general advice/builds. Not sure even how familiar you are with khelds...generally refer to dwarf form as "lobster" around here.
Another, might help yah.
And another.
i just wanna switch it up a little you no. and warshades seem pretty fun. u have a bunch of those AOE drains(u no what i mean) and u use dead ppl to heal you, make a pet, or make them explode
They're definately fun, but as Square said if the overall purpose is to be a farming character then it's not going to be as good as the typical farmers are. A very well-built Warshade can farm, absolutely, but not as fast or as well as others might. If I were you I'd play it just to enjoy it and then decide at 50 whether to make it into a farmer or not. But that's just my perspective, YMMV.
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i didnt mean hard core farming... i meant like PVE in like TFs and such
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i didnt mean hard core farming... i meant like PVE in like TFs and such
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i didnt mean hard core farming... i meant like PVE in like TFs and such
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I don't see an all-human being quick at all.
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I leave for a while and all the old warriors disappear? Wait, let me test this...
*Clears throat* Orbiting Death is the BEST WARSHADE POWER EVER. *Ducks. Peers around.*
Let's see if that flushes anyone out. Ok, farming. Yes you can farm on a Warshade. My primary hero that I use for occasional farming is my Warshade. He's faster then my Fire Dominator or my Scrapper. He can function on teams set for eight but the sweet spot is five or six. Any more than that and he spends too much time tanking aggro off the pets. Any less and Eclipse doesn't hard cap S/L resist for lack of enough targets. I use human form exclusively. I do NOT currently have perma-Eclipse, Hasten or a purple build.
Basically you rotate between Eclipse and Mire, use Unchain Essence when it's up, summon pets when you can and keep the mobs in your Inky Aspect. Focus on the lieutenants and let OD and your pets chew up the minions.
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I leave for a while and all the old warriors disappear? Wait, let me test this... *Clears throat* Orbiting Death is the BEST WARSHADE POWER EVER. *Ducks. Peers around.* Let's see if that flushes anyone out. Ok, farming. Yes you can farm on a Warshade. My primary hero that I use for occasional farming is my Warshade. He's faster then my Fire Dominator or my Scrapper. He can function on teams set for eight but the sweet spot is five or six. Any more than that and he spends too much time tanking aggro off the pets. Any less and Eclipse doesn't hard cap S/L resist for lack of enough targets. I use human form exclusively. I do NOT currently have perma-Eclipse, Hasten or a purple build. Basically you rotate between Eclipse and Mire, use Unchain Essence when it's up, summon pets when you can and keep the mobs in your Inky Aspect. Focus on the lieutenants and let OD and your pets chew up the minions. |
yeah, human is a viable and fun build in and of itself.
Triform is not the only form :P
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@debtlover
A really effective farming shade needs very high recharge from expensive sets, nova form, and dark extraction at least. If you start removing those things your speed will start going down, and speed is the essence of farming (for example my friend's Stone/energy tank can "farm," but it takes so long to defeat the mobs that there's no point). I agree with the above that it's better to solo farm set to 6; set to 8 is possible but can be really difficult to keep your pets alive through the whole thing. The best thing about Farmer Shade is that the same build is great for the rest of the PvE game, it's not just a one-trick squiddy.
Try posting a build you've come up with that you like and we can critique it.
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I'll rephrase then. I don't see how any all-human build will be as fast as a dual or tri for farming.
Yes, all-human shades are quite viable in all areas of play.
But in farming, I seriously doubt that if you give up Nova AoE you'll be able to make up for it in human. Heck, with Human/Nova, you can still slot up Unchain Essence and use it all you want. If you do so, you'll only be losing benefits of Orbiting Death (does it still do half the damage as regular PBAoE damage auras?) and Dark Detonation by using Nova.
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I'll rephrase then. I don't see how any all-human build will be as fast as a dual or tri for farming. Yes, all-human shades are quite viable in all areas of play. But in farming, I seriously doubt that if you give up Nova AoE you'll be able to make up for it in human. Heck, with Human/Nova, you can still slot up Unchain Essence and use it all you want. If you do so, you'll only be losing benefits of Orbiting Death (does it still do half the damage as regular PBAoE damage auras?) and Dark Detonation by using Nova. |
Less time spent shifting forms.
More time spent owning face?
I dunno. I'm not saying human is best for it, but he never ask for "the best ever warshade build for farming." I'm not a huge farm fan, but when he started asking for a warshade to do CONTENT with. That made me perk up a bit. I believe humanform is looked down on as "gimped" and I'm afraid that that is simply not the case.
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Originally Posted by Debtlover
Two nukes? Higher survivability?
Less time spent shifting forms. More time spent owning face? I dunno. I'm not saying human is best for it, but he never ask for "the best ever warshade build for farming." I'm not a huge farm fan, but when he started asking for a warshade to do CONTENT with. That made me perk up a bit. I believe humanform is looked down on as "gimped" and I'm afraid that that is simply not the case. |
I'd never call Unchain a nuke anyway...you can fire the two Nova AoE's, and do more damage than Unchain. And then those AoE's will be recharged quite a bit faster to keep on using - more time to own face instead of waiting for one of two human AoE's to recharge. Quasar does almost twice as much as Unchain, now that one is definitely a nuke.
Higher survivability is also not much of an argument because of Eclipse...well, at least once it is near perma I suppose.
I agree with Square. For farming purposes, even if it's just regular content, Human/Nova will certainly do more damage than an all Human WS. AoE is what you need and AoE is what Human form is missing.
I wouldn't classify having 2 "nukes" as having good AoE and Orbiting Death is a weak damage aura. Even taking Nova, you can still access everything human builds have to offer while having 2 fairly quick recharging AoE's. Survivability shouldn't be an issue when you are at the resistance cap with Eclipse.
Also, I don't think an all human build is gimped. I just don't think it's as strong as a build taking the other forms IMO.
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You dont build a warshade to farm.
You build a warshade to be a warshade.
From there farming is no issue.
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Various others.
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K I made a Warshade and does anyone find it harder to level one more than the regular archtypes
Here is my build. It has some expensive IOs like the cheap purple sets (hold and stun) with 4 LotGs and some other sets. Think I spent 200 million all together and a bunch of time grabbing merits for LoTG. My main tactic is activate Shadow Cloak and Superspeed and run into the middle of a mob and activate eclipse and Sunless Mire, then blast everything with Nova and use Stygian Circle and Dark Extraction when everything is dead. It has been awhile since I last played with him.
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Infinite Reason: Level 50 Science Warshade
Primary Power Set: Umbral Blast
Secondary Power Set: Umbral Aura
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Concealment
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Leadership
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Ebon Eye -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Absorption -- Aegis-Psi/Status(A)
Level 2: Gravity Shield -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Orbiting Death -- Empty(A)
Level 6: Dark Nova -- GSFC-Build%(A)
Level 8: Starless Step -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 10: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(11), RechRdx-I(11)
Level 12: Sunless Mire -- Acc-I(A), RechRdx-I(13), RechRdx-I(13), RechRdx-I(15)
Level 14: Shadow Cloak -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 16: Super Speed -- Clrty-Stlth(A)
Level 18: Gravity Well -- UbrkCons-Hold(A), UbrkCons-Hold/Rchg(19), UbrkCons-Acc/Hold/Rchg(19), UbrkCons-Dam%(21), UbrkCons-Acc/Rchg(21)
Level 20: Black Dwarf -- ResDam-I(A), ResDam-I(46), ResDam-I(48)
Level 22: Stygian Circle -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Rchg(23), Dct'dW-Heal(23), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(25), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(25)
Level 24: Nebulous Form -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 26: Gravitic Emanation -- Amaze-Stun(A), Amaze-Stun/Rchg(27), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(27), Amaze-Acc/Rchg(29), Amaze-EndRdx/Stun(29)
Level 28: Grant Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 30: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 32: Dark Extraction -- ExRmnt-Acc/Rchg(A), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg(33), ExRmnt-Dmg/EndRdx(33), ExRmnt-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Dmg-I(34), RechRdx-I(34)
Level 35: Stygian Return -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 38: Eclipse -- TtmC'tng-ResDam/Rchg(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(39), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(39), Aegis-ResDam(39), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(40), P'Shift-Acc/Rchg(40)
Level 41: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 44: Penumbral Shield -- Empty(A)
Level 47: Invisibility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 49: Twilight Shield -- Empty(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Dark Sustenance
Level 1: Shadow Step -- Zephyr-ResKB(A)
Level 10: Shadow Recall -- EndRdx-I(A)
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Level 6: Dark Nova Bolt -- Decim-Dmg/Rchg(A), Decim-Acc/Dmg(15), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(17), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Decim-Build%(3), Dev'n-Hold%(45)
Level 6: Dark Nova Blast -- Decim-Dmg/Rchg(A), Decim-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), Decim-Acc/Dmg(36), Decim-Dmg/EndRdx(5), Decim-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(5), Dev'n-Hold%(46)
Level 6: Dark Nova Emanation -- Posi-Dmg/Rng(A), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(7), Posi-Dam%(7), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(17), Posi-Acc/Dmg(31), ExStrk-Dam%(46)
Level 6: Dark Nova Detonation -- Posi-Dmg/Rng(A), Posi-Acc/Dmg(9), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(9), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(37), Posi-Dam%(37), ExStrk-Dam%(50)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Strike -- C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(31), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(31), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(34), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Smite -- C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(48), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(48), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(50), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Mire -- Acc-I(A), RechRdx-I(37), RechRdx-I(40), RechRdx-I(42)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Drain -- Dct'dW-Heal(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(42), Dct'dW-Rchg(42), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(43), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(43)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Step -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 20: Black Dwarf Antagonize -- Zinger-Taunt/Rchg(A), Zinger-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(43), Zinger-Taunt/Rng(45), Zinger-Dam%(45)
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Set Bonus Totals:
- 3% DamageBuff(Smashing)
- 3% DamageBuff(Lethal)
- 3% DamageBuff(Fire)
- 3% DamageBuff(Cold)
- 3% DamageBuff(Energy)
- 3% DamageBuff(Negative)
- 3% DamageBuff(Toxic)
- 3% DamageBuff(Psionic)
- 4.5% Max End
- 8% Enhancement(Heal)
- 62% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 113.8% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 5% FlySpeed
- 48.2 HP (4.5%) HitPoints
- 5% JumpHeight
- 5% JumpSpeed
- Knockback (Mag -4)
- Knockup (Mag -4)
- MezResist(Confused) 2.5%
- MezResist(Held) 2.5%
- MezResist(Immobilize) 12.4%
- MezResist(Sleep) 4.7%
- MezResist(Stun) 2.5%
- MezResist(Terrorized) 9.65%
- 13% (0.22 End/sec) Recovery
- 10% (0.45 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 10.7% Resistance(Fire)
- 10.7% Resistance(Cold)
- 2.25% Resistance(Psionic)
- 10% RunSpeed
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I find that my all human washade(Zoom Bypass) is pretty good for farming.
Didnt grab any AOE KB.
Got combat jumping and acrobatics too avoid KB, holds and imobilize.
Slotted all my shields and absorption with impervious skin(cheap, 7.5 status res, and 5 recharge)
Slot orbiting death with bunch of chances for damage should be 4.
Eclipse for resistance, sunless mire for dmg buffs, and inky aspect to stun.
Take out a few pets then walk into a mod and they start dying on their own.
I just want to say that thinking of farming warshade makes me think of a human only, because of the concept of farming. I have farmed quite a bit on my triform, but I never thought it was easy. In most teams I could have just as well be a human only, just because the team didn`t need all that adapting, it`s a farm after all.
If you`re looking to solo-farm, warshade is just a bad choise. You can do it, but you`lll never feel like 100% because you need to a) tank for the pets b) watch the scatter c) watch for mez. If you`re going to farm in a team, it doesn`t really make any difference what AT you are, consider warshade as more DPS, even though more self reliant than most.. It will not give you that much control considering that the stun aura only affects minions and the rest of your control is either 1) situational like Unchain 2) Knockbacky like Gravimetric Emination 3) Single target like Gravity Well, and Dwarf is that bit slow to defeat mobs when considering farming in its purest form.
I have had much fun farming with my warshade, it is just not where my triform shines.
First off why wont this topic die?
Warshades are fun yes, great farmers, no.
There are just as many flavors of warshade farm builds are there are playstyles.
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I just want to say that thinking of farming warshade makes me think of a human only, because of the concept of farming. I have farmed quite a bit on my triform, but I never thought it was easy. In most teams I could have just as well be a human only, just because the team didn`t need all that adapting, it`s a farm after all.
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If you`re looking to solo-farm, warshade is just a bad choise. You can do it, but you`lll never feel like 100% because you need to a) tank for the pets b) watch the scatter c) watch for mez. If you`re going to farm in a team, it doesn`t really make any difference what AT you are, consider warshade as more DPS, even though more self reliant than most.. It will not give you that much control considering that the stun aura only affects minions and the rest of your control is either 1) situational like Unchain 2) Knockbacky like Gravimetric Emination 3) Single target like Gravity Well, and Dwarf is that bit slow to defeat mobs when considering farming in its purest form. I have had much fun farming with my warshade, it is just not where my triform shines. |
2) unchain essence is not a situational control as much as it is a secondary nuke
3) Gravimetric emanation can be made to do KNOCKDOWN just by jumping. wow.
4) Dwarf is pathetic defeat speed. wow. just pathetic.
But seriously? Can this die?
The OP of this thread saw a video alien and I did and got all excited. No big deal.
He asked for a farm build. No big deal. Turns out all he wanted was a general play build. Cool. Is there seriously such a huge "warshades are the next farm toon movement"?
Build a fire/kin. it does a lot of the same stuff just better.
fire/kin is a farm build. elec/shield is a farm build.
Warshades are first and foremost a tf toon.
Can we please just let this die?
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Various others.
@debtlover
I wanted to write something, like you did. I felt I had something to say. Good topic.
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Farming warshades kill your cat when you were a kid or something? Everyone knows that fire/kin and ele/shield are going to be far better, but an IO'd 'shade can do a decent job. What's wrong with having a thread where people that do happen to have shades can see it and say, "Hm, I've never even given this a try! I thought only the fotm builds could farm."?|
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Can we please just let this die?
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If you`re looking to solo-farm, warshade is just a bad choise. You can do it, but you`lll never feel like 100% because you need to a) tank for the pets b) watch the scatter c) watch for mez. If you`re going to farm in a team, it doesn`t really make any difference what AT you are, consider warshade as more DPS, even though more self reliant than most.. It will not give you that much control considering that the stun aura only affects minions and the rest of your control is either 1) situational like Unchain 2) Knockbacky like Gravimetric Emination 3) Single target like Gravity Well, and Dwarf is that bit slow to defeat mobs when considering farming in its purest form. I have had much fun farming with my warshade, it is just not where my triform shines. |
Eclipse is plenty of protection. You don't have to worry about mez because when farming, you pick the type of enemies you fight -> don't pick ones with mez. You automatically tank for your pets when you're the first in the spawn and doing the most damage. Scatter isn't bad if you fire from above. Nova's AoE does great damage when buffed with the Mire - you can Mire, finish a spawn, then start work on the next one before it wears off.
Go Human/Nova even, and the people who love their second "nuke" aka Unchain can also slot that.
But basically, I balk when claims are made that human-only is better for farming. Nova's AoE >>> Human's AoE.
I was only saying that human is less juggling and when farming I would imagine that most people are looking for something simple. And my main point was that it doesn`t really matter what `shade you are if you`re like me and consider warshade as a damage dealer in a farm.
It is hard work either way, so many buffs to keep up, so many powers that require x before used to be effective. I am not saying it is not effective or fun, I`m just saying that you need to be actually capable of playing your warshade to achieve that and still work hard.
People could run herostats and put some numbers, facts and data to compare instead of conjecture.
ive been looking at warshades a lot closer then i usually did when i saw a lot of ppl calling it their mains and saying how fun it is to play them. once i looked at the powers i said wow, this looks like a blast. so i wanna make a warshade farmer... can some1 post up a good build. ive seen a few and they were good but either they didnt appeal to me or was way to expensive. Things im looking for: perma eclipse and hasten, good damage, as human as possible(meaning dodge the 2 forms but if extra room then go for crab form...), and my price range is around 500mil-1bil
thank you !