You shouldn't try to buy level 53 recipes. They don't exist, i.e. they never drop in the game, but they still show up in the market database.
People store excess influence by bidding on them, knowing that they won't lose any influence since nobody can put these items up for sale.
Good luck with your marketeering and your build!
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OK to answer the intent of your question. Maybe. I use IO's a lot but many people will tell you they'renot really necessary, and they're right. In saying that, seeing this is your main and you've spent so long building up to 50 apparently you probably don't want to just drop it and move on yet. My main gets all the best loot too. Choosing to slot it up with the fanciest stuff you can buy is a good way to keep the toon going and keep playing it if you choose. You can get some useful pieces and sets for reasonably cheap. Instead of spending that 38mil on one thing, see what bargains you can get if you're a bit more patiant. If you're level 50 and still using SO's i wouldn't worry about generic io's necessary, just start straight on invention sets then. Without knowing any details about your character it's hard to recommend anything specific. But there's lots of good 'chance of' io pieces out where you only need them and not anything else from the sets to get a bonus. The good ones are probably more than 38 mil though. The positive news is now that you've made level 50 influence is easy, or easier, to make.
You need a lot more inf to consider even generic IO's - that amount will barely cover the crafting costs alone, let alone the salvage and recipes needed. IO sets are even more expensive to craft - you probably don't have enough to cover the crafting costs (borderline).
Your best course of action is to visit the market forums and learn how to turn your inf into more influence. Or simply play more and earn more.
The good news is: if you reached 50 with this build, it probably isn't broken, and you can afford to be patient.
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Not true. 38 mil might not get you a full builds worth of generic io's but it will get plenty. Depending if he buys from workbenches, or bids on them. Or he could just run a few missions and let some drop. Or instead of 50 generics buy 45's. Half the cost and nearly the same bonuses, still better than SO's at max level. And the cost of most of the salvage will be nothing because only commons are required for generic sets and the game is flooded with that stuff from all the farming lvl 50's. You probably have a pack full of salvage to turn into invention pieces right now. Set io's wouldn't be anymore expensive to craft, as long as you start with sets that don't require anything ultra rare for now.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Velocity
You need a lot more inf to consider even generic IO's - that amount will barely cover the crafting costs alone, let alone the salvage and recipes needed. IO sets are even more expensive to craft - you probably don't have enough to cover the crafting costs (borderline).
Your best course of action is to visit the market forums and learn how to turn your inf into more influence. Or simply play more and earn more. The good news is: if you reached 50 with this build, it probably isn't broken, and you can afford to be patient. |
o.O I've fully IO'ed out toons with Gen IOs with less than 38million. And I tend to go over the amount listed. Though I use lvl 25-50 Gen IOs.
That said, if it's your main and you plan to actually play the 50 alot, not abandon it, well worth it to look into getting IO sets!
In fact, a 50 that you plan to run alot with, is the perfect toon to get IO sets on.
If you don't plan to play any toon past lvl 50, and just bench it, id take that 38 million, and xfer it to another toon, and not worry about it.
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What I said is absolutely true. You are talking about recipe and salvage costs. I am talking about CRAFTING cost, and crafting 90 or so level 50 IO's will run over 30 million for generics, even after you obtain recipes and salvage. Sets cost slightly more to CRAFT. Here's a link to crafting costs.|
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Not true. 38 mil might not get you a full builds worth of generic io's but it will get plenty. Depending if he buys from workbenches, or bids on them. Or he could just run a few missions and let some drop. Or instead of 50 generics buy 45's. Half the cost and nearly the same bonuses, still better than SO's at max level. And the cost of most of the slavage will be nothing because only commons are required for generic sets and the game is flooded with that stuff from all the farming level 50's. You probably have a pack full of salavage to turn into invention pieces right now. Set io's wouldn't be anymore expensive to craft, as long as you start with sets that don't require anything ultra rare for now.
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The only thing you said that is pertinent is the fact that level 45's have similar bang for buck, and will cost less - only 38% of the CRAFTING cost of a comparable level 50 IO. However, the OP did not list that as a desired option, and I'm presuming that is because he has something in his slots now that is comparable, and is now looking for level 50 "stuff."
Unfortunately, the CRAFTING cost alone for level 50 stuff is about all the OP has right now.
Now he could go with 45's, and he could probably do it with a budget of 38 million if he's patient with the market, but the better course is to gain more inf and work towards his actual goal if he has a workable build now.
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Ok, so since beta, I've finally, finally FINALLY reached level 50 with my main. Now my question is this: Should I spend all 38 million inf I've saved up in all that game time on a single level 53 recipe (and then go on a mad trek for inf to afford the rest), should I just go for generic IOs, or should I go old-school and get 50++ SOs?
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If I were you I would research Invention sets that would improve your character, either by improving what they can already do, or filling holes in their build.
With patience you can outfit a character fairly cheaply, and one of the things I like about doing it like that is you can watch your character gradually getting better as you add things to it.
May I ask what AT and powersets your main is? If I know that I can give you some ideas on things to look into doing with it.
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You biggest bang for the buck would be frankenslotting some key powers.
Thats taking a mix and match approach with set IOs. Generally with triple bonus IOs (though it does work with doubles as well)
You dont' mention you AT, so I'll use ranged damage as an example
Instead of and ACC and DAM SO (so using 2 slots)
Put in
Acc/Dam/Rech from Thunderstrike
Acc/dam/Rech from Ruin
That will give the same ACC boost (all will be a touch better than SO in fact), the same dam boost and a full SO worth of recharge.
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I wouldn't bother with SO's or generic IO's at this point. I don't think you'll get enough benefit from them, compared to whatever you have slotted now, to be worth the time and expense.
If you want to keep playing the character, then the first thing you should do is review the IO sets and play around with Mids and seek advice on your archetype forums until you have a pretty good idea of what you want to do.
Pick one of the less expensive recipes in your set and buy more of them than you need. For example, suppose you decide that you want 2 Blessing of the Zephyr IO's. Put in a bid for 5 recipes at some reasonable price in the neighborhood of the last 5 (assuming the last 5 prices are spread out over multiple days). Wait for a while. Maybe a long while. Once you have all five, and the salvage, craft them all and slot 2. Sell the other 5 for a decent mark up.
Repeat.
The last time I outfitted a level 50, I didn't start with much more money than you have, but by the time I had him totally slotted with all the (non-purple) IO's I wanted, I had almost 100 million inf left over. That was more than I started with.
All it takes is patience, a bit of math, and some common sense.
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Tbh, there's sets recepies which you can buy that are cheaper than generic IOs.
The set bonuses will prob not be all that great, but with some patience you can get recepies for 1000-10000 inf each. Still need to pay the crafting costs tho.
You could look into getting lvl 49 IOs over lvl 50's, the diffrence in bonus is neglible, but the crafting costs on some recepies is half compared to a 50 IO.
If you are patient, and don't care about set bonuses so much, you can actually make pretty cheap builds.
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Tbh, there's sets recepies which you can buy that are cheaper than generic IOs.
The set bonuses will prob not be all that great, but with some patience you can get recepies for 1000-10000 inf each. Still need to pay the crafting costs tho. You could look into getting lvl 49 IOs over lvl 50's, the diffrence in bonus is neglible, but the crafting costs on some recepies is half compared to a 50 IO. If you are patient, and don't care about set bonuses so much, you can actually make pretty cheap builds. |
Download MIDS, play around with it, check out other people's builds for similar characters, figure out what you want, and put in bids on the low end of the scale, then wait.
Also, be aware that we're a little over a week removed from Double XP weekend. There are a lot of people still working on IOing out those characters that they leveled up that weekend, so IOs are still trading at a pretty high price.
If it were me, I'd work on turning that 38 mil into a few hundred mil, and I'd place lowball bids for the recipes I want at levels below level 50 (cheaper that way). You can get a very very good build if you're careful.
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Frankenslotting can do amazing things, someone posted a good thread listing some various combos but I'm not sure where it is, sadly. I used some of the suggestions for an MM and was getting effects out of them like 101% ACC boosts on my pets (or at least very nearly that as the ED thing kicked in). The good news though is that you can figure these things out yourself using MIDS or just a piece of paper and some math. The only downside to this is that often the best IO for frankenslotting from a set X (for example the triples) is usually the most expensive of that set because others want it for the same thing as well as people who're building full sets.
Then again generics can be had for cheap fairly often I've found. On occasion I'll put in some low-ball bids and wait and usually get them, unless they're things everyone really does want like Damage.
If this is a 50 toon you intend to play and play and play, then I think I'd go for full sets and/or frankenslotting, depending on the powers you need to help out.
Do sets if it seems fun. Otherwise don't.
Some things that have worked for me in the past:
Initially use standard IOs of around level 40-45 (depending on build) then once you're happy that you've got a good build you can start replacing the IOs with set IOs instead. I would strongly advise that you are happy with the build before you spend a lot of money on a set - because if you subsequently buy 6 of one set then decide you only need 4 you may well lose a lot of inf that way.
Also Architect Tickets can give some very good random recipe rolls on the Bronze table, that you can either use, or sell to fund the build.
Reward merits are also useful but you can specify the specific IO on that so that allows you to plan your build.
I would say that you probably don't need to even consider Purple recipes at this stage. If you get one, sell it (it's often worth crafting it first - check prices) rather than using it yourself.
As has already been mentioned you seem in no hurry and I don't know how much you play but do what gives you the most enjoyment. Feel free to "mix and match" - there's no "right build" so Standard IOs, sets and Frankenslotting can work on the same toon. Whatever works best for you.
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Ok, so since beta, I've finally, finally FINALLY reached level 50 with my main. Now my question is this: Should I spend all 38 million inf I've saved up in all that game time on a single level 53 recipe (and then go on a mad trek for inf to afford the rest), should I just go for generic IOs, or should I go old-school and get 50++ SOs?