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she is .... out of touch.
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More like an observation and conclusion extrapolated from WW's own comment. The conclusion may or may not be on target, but it's difficult to come to any other considering that in the very thread WW was supposed to be answering (as well as the threads here), there were several specific suggestions:
Power Gamer asks about the mission computer
Pagan Priest suggests that existing game textures could be used in bases
Partsman makes suggestions regarding storage and communications
Redlynne makes specific and well laid out suggestions regarding floors and storage
SuperTim suggests being able to use AE maps for bases, and mentions storage concerns as well
I chime in with Redlynne and "raise the stakes"
Golden Ace agrees with me, Redlynne & SuperTim
Memphis Bill also suggests that the mission computer could be more useful
So, did you snip that bit from my post out of context and assign a different meaning to it on purpose? 'Cause I believe there's a term for people who use that tactic in order to generate certain kinds of responses. Needless to say, this will be the only response you'll get from me.
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Okay yeah I'm for Turbo being the community rep
I guess someone took notice because I was contacted by a GM to be a community rep. I will keep you all posted when it materializes. Were in talks right now.
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I guess someone took notice because I was contacted by a GM to be a community rep. I will keep you all posted when it materializes. Were in talks right now.
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Originally Posted by Turbo_Starr
I guess someone took notice because I was contacted by a GM to be a community rep. I will keep you all posted when it materializes. Were in talks right now.
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I for one would love an update to bases. I'm in an SG with a few good friends and only one of us has ever been any good with the base editor. If they give us a little bit more fine control and some new textures/themes/items I'll be pleased as punch that we might finally be able to get a decent looking base tossed together.
I'm also just gonna chip in my two cents on everyone being WAY too judgemental on WarWitch. Did it ever occur to any of you that closing that line with "suggestions?" was simply being cute/coy? It's kind of like listing off a huge amount of work that needs to be done and then asking for volunteers, it's just playful more often than not. Having seen WarWitch around for a while I'd say that's just her trying to lighten the mood. I'd imagine she's aware of the base suggestions thread. Alternatively, it could be a genuine invitation to send in your most wanted suggestions as, let's face it, those threads are massive, very old and have more than just a little filler chit-chat. They'd take forever to skim through personally to find all the usable suggestions in the grit. Not to mention that not everyone might even know it's there. Some of the more casual forum goers might not even venture as far as the base section or the server section, they might just be content to chill in general discussion and announcements just to get the meat of the news. Those people would likely appreciate an invitation to send in ideas if they don't know the thread(s) exist.
Either way, ease up on WarWitch. She JUST started as lead developer, they're in the crunch on GR, and she's doing her best to keep the development train moving as well as trying to keep in touch with the player base and make sure that people are as happy as possible. Just because bases aren't #1 on the list doesn't mean she's ignoring you.
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Originally Posted by JKPhage
I for one would love an update to bases. I'm in an SG with a few good friends and only one of us has ever been any good with the base editor. If they give us a little bit more fine control and some new textures/themes/items I'll be pleased as punch that we might finally be able to get a decent looking base tossed together.
I'm also just gonna chip in my two cents on everyone being WAY too judgemental on WarWitch. Did it ever occur to any of you that closing that line with "suggestions?" was simply being cute/coy? It's kind of like listing off a huge amount of work that needs to be done and then asking for volunteers, it's just playful more often than not. Having seen WarWitch around for a while I'd say that's just her trying to lighten the mood. I'd imagine she's aware of the base suggestions thread. Alternatively, it could be a genuine invitation to send in your most wanted suggestions as, let's face it, those threads are massive, very old and have more than just a little filler chit-chat. They'd take forever to skim through personally to find all the usable suggestions in the grit. Not to mention that not everyone might even know it's there. Some of the more casual forum goers might not even venture as far as the base section or the server section, they might just be content to chill in general discussion and announcements just to get the meat of the news. Those people would likely appreciate an invitation to send in ideas if they don't know the thread(s) exist. Either way, ease up on WarWitch. She JUST started as lead developer, they're in the crunch on GR, and she's doing her best to keep the development train moving as well as trying to keep in touch with the player base and make sure that people are as happy as possible. Just because bases aren't #1 on the list doesn't mean she's ignoring you. |
That said, I believe the players deserve a much better shake when it comes to base related development. The argument that the players need to "do more" to better articulate what they want or that they just need to "be patient" whenever the subject of base development is broached has worn quite thin on me... War Witch comments or no. Given the number of players that have abandoned this forum section all together over the years, I am not alone.
First it was other players saying "Freem 15 you need to be patient". Then it was other players saying "Beefed up organization is ramping up be patient". Now it's "New lead developer and GR, go rehash again your desires and be patient." During this whole string of player comments the devs have said... very very litte. And when they do, they give vauge generalities which implies that either they don't know or don't much care about base related development.
The fact of the matter is the players have no choice but to be patient. The devs are going to develop what they are going to develop on their terms and priority. I get that and so do many of the rest of us. Some of us have spent literally years trying to influence positive change in the direction of bases without word or success. In light of this, my read was that War Witch did not suffer any great abuse in comparison recently in this thread.
I'll say it again. The players deserve a better shake from the devs. It could start (as mentioned over and over) with better communications and representation from their end. If someone would have told me after I13 that "We aren't going to do much with bases for awhile." I would have been a little disappointed but at least I would have known the true story and could have moved on to contributing my valued opinions
on other things. I, for one, am not going to put a lot more time and effort definining player base related desires without some more assurance that it's going to get us somewhere.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom (or freem?) fighter; just as one man's exploit is another man's feature.
No one can be aware of all things and all that jazz... As lead designer, WW has to keep herself aware, but how much detail is realistic?
Regardless...
We, as a community, must consolidate the information, issues, suggestions and lists and present them to her/the team.
I'm sure WW or others on the staff are well aware of the stickied threads and all...
But, when I see the Devs (And WW, no less) publicly making it known she/they are interested in hearing suggestions, it means it is time to take everything we have, consolidate it and make a nice new shiny packaged presentation for quick and easy consumption.
Turbo, forgive me for being uncertain about your (terrific) news... it was posted on April 1st, hehehe.
Truly, if that is mere coincidence, yay and congratulations! (And good luck! Let's all pitch in and make sure we have a clear and concise presentation of ideas and desires!)
@Zethustra
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and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
I'm sure WW or others on the staff are well aware of the stickied threads and all...
But, when I see the Devs (And WW, no less) publicly making it known she/they are interested in hearing suggestions, it means it is time to take everything we have, consolidate it and make a nice new shiny packaged presentation for quick and easy consumption. |
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Then what happens?
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middle case - a couple of minor but annoying things fixed
worst case - nothing
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What's to lose?
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There already is a list for Base Improvements and suggestions.
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Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
No one can be aware of all things and all that jazz... As lead designer, WW has to keep herself aware, but how much detail is realistic?
Regardless... We, as a community, must consolidate the information, issues, suggestions and lists and present them to her/the team. I'm sure WW or others on the staff are well aware of the stickied threads and all... But, when I see the Devs (And WW, no less) publicly making it known she/they are interested in hearing suggestions, it means it is time to take everything we have, consolidate it and make a nice new shiny packaged presentation for quick and easy consumption. Turbo, forgive me for being uncertain about your (terrific) news... it was posted on April 1st, hehehe. Truly, if that is mere coincidence, yay and congratulations! (And good luck! Let's all pitch in and make sure we have a clear and concise presentation of ideas and desires!) |
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Originally Posted by JKPhage
Did it ever occur to any of you that closing that line with "suggestions?" was simply being cute/coy? It's kind of like listing off a huge amount of work that needs to be done and then asking for volunteers, it's just playful more often than not.
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No one can be aware of all things and all that jazz... As lead designer, WW has to keep herself aware, but how much detail is realistic?
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There already is a list for Base Improvements and suggestions.
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What's to lose?
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)Anyway, I did not mean to dominate this thread. Guess you can tell the subject is near to my heart. Sorry if I took anyone out of context above. Please correct me if you feel that I'm wrong. No offense directed at anyone personally from here during this good discussion.
I'll shut up... for now.
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Huh? We are talking about War Witch here right? The person that was the former CoX world designer extraordinarie who knows more about "editing" in a CoX context than anyone on the planet? Yeah, I figure she would have a pretty good handle on the stuff that would make our "puny" bases a bit better already.
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Yes, WW is great and hands on with this game. I'm not saying a single negative thing in any regard about her, nor am I suggesting she wouldn't know about how to make bases better... Just was speaking directly about what everyone before me was talking about... The multiple stickied threads of suggestions.
Re-doing lists and suggestion threads is just a matter of cleaning things up over the course of time.
When a thread is started, it might be a concise list... As the time goes by, pages are added with some great additions, some possibly not-so-feasible suggestions and everything beyond and in-between. Changes are implemented to the game as well.
The stacks of papers on the desk rise, and sometimes they need to be resorted, fixed up.
I'm not going to stress and push the idea... I, honestly, have not recently looked over the multiple stickied threads we have here that people were suggesting the team should use instead of asking for suggestions now... So, for all I know, they are perfectly fine, easy and quick presentations for them to digest. If that's the case, just direct them to the threads and... then we wait, hehe
And, since I am not likely to be a big part in any repackaging effort... I will leave my suggestion as it was and see what happens. If I have the time and feel so inclined, we'll see... But... yeah, that possibility in the near future doesn't seem too likely for me.
I just tend to prefer to take whatever action I can in order to accomplish things I care about.
When all is said and done... if things didn't work out the way I had wished, at least I know I did what I could.
And... none of this is negative/personal nor am I attempting to preach upon anyone at all
I think we all have a common desire and love here and that is great
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"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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I love this idea but instead of just turning it to an object why not have a "SAVE THIS ITEM" and place it in the list of base objects so i could use again and again instead of building it. I hate to sound corny but RollerCoaster Tycoon had a similar feature when I designed a ride I could save the ride and all the local decorations and use later at other parks. Something similar would be great for us base builders don't you think?????
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Perhaps a feature you'd like is to be able to take a number of items, arrange them together, and then "bake" them, turning them into a single object?
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Folks, not to be the bearer of bad reality, but....
War Witch's request for us to give her a fresh list of base improvement suggestions is merely a trick. Its a way to put us off for a while, while they continue to do nothing to improve bases, period.
Just come accept that they will not do anything to fix/improve bases. Its not a fun thought, but its true (if they did have ANY desire to fix bases, it WOULDNT have gone for 4.5 years with nothing done AT ALL).
Just sayin...
Dude, who pissed in your cereal?
And i13 had some major effects on base building.
-np
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Dude, who pissed in your cereal?
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Folks, not to be the bearer of bad reality, but....
War Witch's request for us to give her a fresh list of base improvement suggestions is merely a trick. Its a way to put us off for a while, while they continue to do nothing to improve bases, period. Just come accept that they will not do anything to fix/improve bases. Its not a fun thought, but its true (if they did have ANY desire to fix bases, it WOULDNT have gone for 4.5 years with nothing done AT ALL). Just sayin... |
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leave it to a Witch to trick us... oh wait, she's in charge of things now?! Oh crap!
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She turned me into a newt!!
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I got better.
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
OMG! she turned this game into a shutup devs!
quick! grab a bucket of water!
Ignoring anyone is a mistake. You might miss something viral to your cause.
It comes down to representation and communication.... it used to be much better. We had lists, we had rednames, we were organized... and then we were hit with i13. After that, I pretty much threw my hands up in disgust, and several of our primary players/architects left. Everything since then has had a very distinct feeling of shouting into an large, empty cavern and hearing nothing back but faint echos of vague promises.