I can't speak for Kheldians, but any change to Soldiers and Widows that makes them strictly better (via more options) is a bad idea. Why? Because they're already intensely overpowered in my experience, and they don't need to be any stronger.
That being said, I'd like to see the following allowed for the VEATs...
A Mu option, similar to Soldiers and Widows in execution but giving a combination of Elec Blast, Elec Armor, and Storm powers. The main issue here is, well... Mu costume doesn't lend itself well to certain animations... Like, most of them.
An Epic Mastermind Power Pool that gave you Arachnos minions and let you have a Spider or Widow costume in your first slot, but otherwise was just a Mastermind. (Yes, I get that Crab Spider gives you minions, but I want minion tree of Wolf Spider/Blood Widow/Mu Striker, Crab Spider/Fortunata, and Tarantula with the upgrades taking them each through tiers of their particular type.)
The option to make ANY costume slot a Spider/Widow costume slot. I love the Spider and Widow costumes and I'd like to be able to hold multiple versions at the same time... Especially as, like many, my Widow has one Fortunata build and one Night Widow build.
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I want to see a PvP match between a team of Arachnos soldiers and a team of Longbow.
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I don't mean make them stronger. Because I totally agree with you. I just mean if they end up making more ranks and what not. What knew spider types would people like to see.
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Originally Posted by CapnGeist
I can't speak for Kheldians, but any change to Soldiers and Widows that makes them strictly better (via more options) is a bad idea. Why? Because they're already intensely overpowered in my experience, and they don't need to be any stronger.
That being said, I'd like to see the following allowed for the VEATs... A Mu option, similar to Soldiers and Widows in execution but giving a combination of Elec Blast, Elec Armor, and Storm powers. The main issue here is, well... Mu costume doesn't lend itself well to certain animations... Like, most of them. An Epic Mastermind Power Pool that gave you Arachnos minions and let you have a Spider or Widow costume in your first slot, but otherwise was just a Mastermind. (Yes, I get that Crab Spider gives you minions, but I want minion tree of Wolf Spider/Blood Widow/Mu Striker, Crab Spider/Fortunata, and Tarantula with the upgrades taking them each through tiers of their particular type.) The option to make ANY costume slot a Spider/Widow costume slot. I love the Spider and Widow costumes and I'd like to be able to hold multiple versions at the same time... Especially as, like many, my Widow has one Fortunata build and one Night Widow build. |
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Well, given Crab Spider powers force you to have and use the backpack, I could see something similar happening with a Mu costume that overrides your main one, gives you inherent fly, and then restricts you to 'Mu Costume' animations. How that would be pulled off at all is a whole different kettle of fish.|
Originally Posted by CapnGeist
I can't speak for Kheldians, but any change to Soldiers and Widows that makes them strictly better (via more options) is a bad idea. Why? Because they're already intensely overpowered in my experience, and they don't need to be any stronger.
That being said, I'd like to see the following allowed for the VEATs... A Mu option, similar to Soldiers and Widows in execution but giving a combination of Elec Blast, Elec Armor, and Storm powers. The main issue here is, well... Mu costume doesn't lend itself well to certain animations... Like, most of them. The option to make ANY costume slot a Spider/Widow costume slot. I love the Spider and Widow costumes and I'd like to be able to hold multiple versions at the same time... Especially as, like many, my Widow has one Fortunata build and one Night Widow build. |
And hells yes to the costume part. Do really want, and more options, like no helmet on Crab, Bane and Wolf spiders. And more hair for widows! The choices are miniscule.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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If we got to play as a Mu, or a Tarantula, it would be a brand new EAT. I doubt that we'd get any more Arachnos EATs soon, but if we did they certianly wouldn't be expansions to the Arachnos Spider and Arachnos Widow archtypes.
I agree with what many have already said: we may well do, and almost certainly will get new EATs. But don't expect advancements in the current ones beyond the occasional number tweak. If I were to guess, I would guess that the next round of EATs would be either something entirely new to the lore, or the Rikti. Coralax are an option, but I see Rikti as being more likely as they could be open to both sides. I often see people asking for a branching PPD or Longbow powerset, but if handed a costume piece or two these are easily enough replicated with the current archtypes.
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
Point: That an animation, that doesn't even change the animation of a set yet only changes the idle stance, can alter the feel of a set. That it doesn't have to be a new power to do that.
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OP: "They should add new stuff to this set."
You: "I picked up a totally different travel power and it completely changed the set!"
If you were talking about the alternate MA animations, it would at least have been in the same realm, to me. So no, reading through it, it didn't seem particularly relevant. It sounded like "My car seems like an entirely new car because I started parking on the other side of the lot."
(Edit: IOW, I see what you're saying, but it didn't read that way to me - and honestly still seems on the edge IMHO.)
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| Point: The devs don't abandon the work *that is currently in our hands*. The 'multiple-year-old' stuff that is in the game now. I'm not sure how combos or ammo shifting factors into this unless you're talking about adding new combos to those sets. Adding more sets that use these mechanics isn't what I'm talking about but I see no reason this cannot happen. |
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Point: "'Wouldn't it be cool if...' No. Don't waste our time on blah blah blah" If I'm accused of snark, will you not hold yourself guilty too? |
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Alternate animations for Martial Arts? Where's my Capoeira? Seven-Star Mantis? Kenpo? Point: If the devs can decide what alternate customizations to add to some sets, they can do the same to future sets to alleviate that problem. |
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| You probably should have saved yourself (and me) the last 2 posts by just saying this and have been done with it. |
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A Rikti AT is something I am still dearly hoping for.|
Originally Posted by StormSurvivor
If we got to play as a Mu, or a Tarantula, it would be a brand new EAT. I doubt that we'd get any more Arachnos EATs soon, but if we did they certianly wouldn't be expansions to the Arachnos Spider and Arachnos Widow archtypes.
I agree with what many have already said: we may well do, and almost certainly will get new EATs. But don't expect advancements in the current ones beyond the occasional number tweak. If I were to guess, I would guess that the next round of EATs would be either something entirely new to the lore, or the Rikti. Coralax are an option, but I see Rikti as being more likely as they could be open to both sides. I often see people asking for a branching PPD or Longbow powerset, but if handed a costume piece or two these are easily enough replicated with the current archtypes. |
If we got some more, dare I say it, NPC parts, then Longbow and PPD we have covered anyway.
PPD Hardsuit AT, now, that I could get behind. Or a general 'heavy armour' set.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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Something like the Tactical Engagement Strike Team (T.E.S.T.) Praetorian PD Armor as shown on the new GR site under Mobs?|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
PPD Hardsuit AT, now, that I could get behind. Or a general 'heavy armour' set.
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Yeah, to the point that if they added new EATs V-side would get mad, partially correct.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
A Rikti AT is something I am still dearly hoping for.
If we got some more, dare I say it, NPC parts, then Longbow and PPD we have covered anyway. PPD Hardsuit AT, now, that I could get behind. Or a general 'heavy armour' set. |
Incorrect part: the ATs themselves will probably be able to switch sides also.
Correct part: If a kheld goes rogue they will no longer get to access the storyline contacts for khelds, hence making the "epic" part of EAT pointless.
The way I see it any NEW epic ATs, will be available to both sides. Very easy to do even with PPD and Mu.
Being able to make a villain ppd or heroic mu would just mark them as rogue from level one. This ofcourse would mean that the devs would have to make storylines for them ON BOTH SIDES.
It would be easier to make all EPIC ATs universal with one central co-op zone being their current starting point. That means it could be RWZ (Rikti), Cim (Mu), Prat (PPD-type).
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PPD wouldn't have to be... PPD. That is to say, a "Police Officer" Archetype primary choices would easily work for Praetorian cops, RIP, or PPD. That said, most cops are just Assault Rifle (or Dual Pistols)/ Devices as far as I can tell, so the use of a new AT for them would require justification.
And on the topic of EATs... How about a Freakshow EAT? They've got a pretty even blend of awesome Melee attacks and awesome Ranged attacks, plus defensive powers and a self-rez.
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
What *could* they add? Khelds only do a certain thing but perhaps alternate 'forms' you could choose from?
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It's more paraphrasing than 'putting words in your mouth'. It's not like I quoted you and then added stuff to it. Besides, if you can read a portion of what I type and have a certain interpretation of it, I feel I can so long as I say that's what I'm doing.|
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
Do show me where I said "Don't waste our time," or even hinted at it. Go on. You've got a full thread of quotes. I've said it's not likely because of the *amount* of time and effort it would take versus the number of people it would impact. Totally different animal. I'd appreciate you NOT putting words into my mouth.
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And how would you interpret this:
"Seems like a lot of work for not much benefit - and for not many players, even with the upcoming "unlock at 20.""
'Lot of work for little benefit' equates to 'waste of time' to most people, don't you think?
Why don't the devs keep the name EAT but swap Epic with Extended...
, it should possibly be a PEAT, but that would just bog us down with more abbrevs! 
Hero Extended ArcheType
Villain Extended ArcheType
PRaetorian ArcheType
Sorry that last one is a bit of a PRAT
For those without humor... A PEAT bog!