REAL Closed Beta Information
By
Berzerker_NA,
Posted on: 2010-03-05 13:21 in The Global Training Room Test Server
Quote:
Thanks for this information ZM! From other posts I've seen you are a very knowlegable individual! If it is ok with you I would like to add your post Quoted in my above post! |
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Correction:
The Dual Pistols Closed Beta did include the Loyalty, HeroCon, and Veteran rewards program. See here. The Normal Process: The normal way of going about Closed Beta is to invite players in waves. A too large number of people coming in right away creates problems: 1. The Test Server is not set up to handle the volume of all the other servers combined at once. (Note that the Dual Pistols Closed Beta had long queues to log in.) 2. Test code is often 'non-optimized' code. Meaning that it's rough and shaky and fragile. Too many people can cause lots of server hang ups. 3. Too many people at once all /bugging the same bugs creates wasted effort on the part of the player and with Quality Assurance trying to go through all the bug reports. 4. Getting initial feedback from thousands of players at once is overwhelming to the Devs. They just can't read all that feedback or respond. Thus, a representative sample of the player base starts off. Then every 2-7 days, a new wave gets invited in. Who Gets In? 1. We generally don't know. The Devs don't tell us. In fact, they've specifically said they *won't* tell us. The reason they gave is that they don't want people 'farming' a specific behavior. E.g., if one of the criteria was "sent in over 50 /bug reports", then, given human nature, some players would send in 50 bogus /bug reports to guarantee themselves a spot in Closed Beta. 2. What do we know about who gets in? Each time, a random sampling of players get in, including those who've never sent in a bug report, who've never been in Closed Beta before, or even ever been on the Test Server before! The Devs most definitely *do not* want to hear from the same exact group every time. Nor do they want to hear from only 'fanbois.' We've seen some of the most vocal critics of the Devs get into a Closed Beta early with actual forum posts saying, "How did *you* get in?!" There were a few times when the Devs went on record about specific groups getting in to Closed Beta. In Issue 13 a large number of PvPers were invited into the first wave to test the PvP rebalancing. It was said their participation was... contentious. In Issue 14 a smaller number of PvPers were invited to the first waves for the continuation of PvP rebalancing. Issue 15 had an "Open Closed Beta" where anyone with a valid account could get in (basically, non-players couldn't read the Beta forums). And the Dual Pistols Closed Beta, as mentioned above, included the Loyalty and Veteran reward participants that will also be part of the Going Rogue Closed Beta. Obviously, Issue 16 Closed Beta has gone back to the practice we've seen for Issues 8 - 14. The small number that gets in the very first waves are usually those with a track record of producing quality in-game and forum feedback (as well as some random folks). These are people who will do things like run an arc every time it's updated to check that it's working right. These are people who don't say 'you suck!' when somethings not finished, they know that Closed Beta is work and they work. Those who don't, don't get invited back (so said Ghost Falcon). The Devs have said of a few Closed Betas that 'friends and family' are the first wave. Namely, their particular friends, family, and business associates -- not players. This phase has been known to last almost a week to just half a day before the first wave of players get invited. Since the Devs do not say this about every Closed Beta, it should not be assumed that every Closed Beta begins with just friends and family. |
Thanks again!
Quote:
I am just a concerned player that wants people to have the correct information. I am not saying I have all the answers and I never will since I am not a Dev, but I wanted to compile everything I knew as fact and also any speculation that made sense to me. Zombie Man has already proven one of my speculations wrong and I'm going to correct it now. I want people's input if they have valid changes or additions to my input.|
Originally Posted by BloodFairy
ah who are you?
|
Please don't take me as someone trying to be arrogant like I'm better than anyone, I am just trying to get the facts out there more easily available instead of spreading around trying to find them.
Quote:
Thanks for the thanks |
Originally Posted by Profanation
Thank you for putting this together, and it does seem necessary at this point.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Profanation
So if you find people on the forums who are confused, it is not because they are stupid. It is because the Loyalty program appears to have determined the invitations for closed beta on DP, but not necessarily for the other things that were introduced side by side with Going Rogue.
|
Some people seem to have made things up that were never said just to confuse some people that just don't know better. I will not quote anything I've seen here so I don't confuse anyone myself, but look around you'll find some lol...
Quote:
That is actually what I said, but I will rephrase it if that will make things more clear.
|
Originally Posted by macskull
Absolutely and completely incorrect. DS will be pushed onto the servers at the same time as I17, but it will only be available if you pre-purchase GR. From the GR pre-purchase announcement:
|
Quote:
The wording is now revised so no worries guys.|
Originally Posted by macskull
This is one of those "learn to read" things. From the OP:
So no, he and I are not saying the same thing. |
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by BloodFairy
i just meant he isn't even a red name, so what's he posting all this info about. I already know indefinitely who everyone is though
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Novawulfe
Well put together forum of info, this should get stickied for usefulness in the future.
|
P.S. My post has been updated. If anyone sees an error please let me know, and I apologize for all the new posts... I forgot you could multiquote items! lol
I will do this from now on!
Quote:
Odd that you recall a forum post and I don't. I live in the Dev Digest and Community Digest threads. I follow every link to every post. If it's got an article linked, I read it. I recall nothing along these lines.|
Originally Posted by Tahquitz
Really? Can't say we've met before.
 Hi, I'm Tahq.TJ, it was, I swear. There was a forum post I had in mind, linked to a News Article from the past year. But alas, it has been deleted. (Winged Marketing Minions in Money Vests, I'm guessing.) Absence of proof = you win. |
I certainly don't recall hearing any of the Devs or Community team member say this at HeroCon, or read about it in any reports from forums I couldn't attend due to being in a different forum at the time.
I do know that in my direct talks with some of the Devs that they said they were looking to have UM out in an issue before or with GR. I'm thinking it was The Dark Watcher and GhostFalcon, but it's been many months since then and my memory isn't what it was, so I won't swear to that.
Hopefully one of them will do a vanity search and come in and correct me if I'm wrong or verify if I'm right. I'm not holding my breath though.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
Quote:
lol well i think regardless of who or where it said it, the fact of the matter is this: UM is now part of I17. Until content is released the developers have right to take out or put in anything that they see fit. Unless of course under stipulation for PRE-PURCHASE they tell you that you are getting DP and DS, but decide to scrap DS... I'm pretty sure they would have a lot of lawsuits in their hands there lol!|
Originally Posted by Texas Justice
Odd that you recall a forum post and I don't. I live in the Dev Digest and Community Digest threads. I follow every link to every post. If it's got an article linked, I read it. I recall nothing along these lines.
I certainly don't recall hearing any of the Devs or Community team member say this at HeroCon, or read about it in any reports from forums I couldn't attend due to being in a different forum at the time. I do know that in my direct talks with some of the Devs that they said they were looking to have UM out in an issue before or with GR. I'm thinking it was The Dark Watcher and GhostFalcon, but it's been many months since then and my memory isn't what it was, so I won't swear to that. Hopefully one of them will do a vanity search and come in and correct me if I'm wrong or verify if I'm right. I'm not holding my breath though. |
Regardless they turned something that you originally thought you'd have to pay for and now made it free
Let's not fight on the circumstances but let's rejoice together! lol... Ok so that was corny, but regardless let's not miss the point at hand here
Quote:
It was an older FAQ that was on the forums when they first announced Going Rogue. I guess when they put the site up and the forum changeover took place the post was lost or deleted.|
Originally Posted by Texas Justice
Odd that you recall a forum post and I don't. I live in the Dev Digest and Community Digest threads. I follow every link to every post. If it's got an article linked, I read it. I recall nothing along these lines.
I certainly don't recall hearing any of the Devs or Community team member say this at HeroCon, or read about it in any reports from forums I couldn't attend due to being in a different forum at the time. I do know that in my direct talks with some of the Devs that they said they were looking to have UM out in an issue before or with GR. I'm thinking it was The Dark Watcher and GhostFalcon, but it's been many months since then and my memory isn't what it was, so I won't swear to that. Hopefully one of them will do a vanity search and come in and correct me if I'm wrong or verify if I'm right. I'm not holding my breath though. |
If someone is well versed in search-fu on these boards, perhaps they could find it. Or Wayback Machine, but I don't think it would catalog forum posts out of concern for space.
Ah, well.
ZanderCross, you're working too hard man. Just try this when people ask on Issue 17.
Quote:
Lol thanks for that. I just want to help |
Originally Posted by Tahquitz
ZanderCross, you're working too hard man. Just try this when people ask on Issue 17.
|
If it can keep just a few people from posting questions on a new thread that have been posted many times before, then I call it a win I just want to make sure that even my information is in check
I can explain.
i17 is not Going Rogue.
Issue solved.
Quote:
not sure where you got this quote from:|
Originally Posted by ZanderCross
UPDATES ADDED OR CHANGED 3-10-2010 ARE NOTED AS SUCH.
|
Quote:
| So when it boils down to it you are paying $40 unless you just buy the base Expansion. This is not rocket science people! Pay $40 dollars and pick your perk: Early access to powers or Free month... |
Alpha-and Omega-themed auras
Alpha and Omega themed costumed sets
Four stance emotes
The Shadowy Presence invisibility power
to clarify, early access to power SETS come with prepurchasing Going Rogue while the early access to powers can be confused with the...
Quote:
|
60 Month Milestone: City Traveler City Traveler badge One additional Character Slot 5 Reward Merits Access to the following Power Pools at level 6, and can access Tier 1, 2, or 3 powers Flight Superspeed Teleport Superleap For the 60 month veteran reward, players receive the City Traveler badge, an additional Character Slot, 5 Reward Merits, and will be able to access the Flight, Superspeed, Teleport, and Superleap Power Pools at level 6 without having to take a tier 1 or 2 power in that pool. Note: that the Tier 4 powers (Team Teleport, Group Flight, Whirlwind and Acrobatics) are unaffected and their availability is unchanged by this. |
Bonnie and her bunny
Arc ID: 59406
The Trash Came Back
Arc ID: 350303
But in the end, you really only have two things to choose between: Early Access to DP & DS, or a free month of game play. The four items you listed will be made available for digital purchase with the release of Going Rogue.
Since you can get those items with either the Pre-Purchase Digital Download or the Hard Copy Boxed Set, they're not really much of a perk.
[ ProTip: The banner is a link to art refs!! | The Khellection | The HBAS Repository | Brute Guides (4/16/10) | How To Post An Image - A Quick Guide ]
Biggest Troll on the forums? I'll give you a hint:
Quote:
the whole point of this thread is clarification and thats all I was trying to do.
|
Originally Posted by Kheldarn
But in the end, you really only have two things to choose between: Early Access to DP & DS, or a free month of game play. The four items you listed will be made available for digital purchase with the release of Going Rogue.
Since you can get those items with either the Pre-Purchase Digital Download or the Hard Copy Boxed Set, they're not really much of a perk. |
Bonnie and her bunny
Arc ID: 59406
The Trash Came Back
Arc ID: 350303
Quote:
I explained right above that where i got it from:|
Originally Posted by Du Hast
not sure where you got this quote from:
|
Quote:
| -There is a lot if whining and complaining about the PRE-PURCHASE of GR. Here is my conclusion on this taken from another post I posted, think of A, B, & C as your purchase options: |
Quote:
|
but the perk is NOT an early access to powers it is: Alpha-and Omega-themed auras Alpha and Omega themed costumed sets Four stance emotes The Shadowy Presence invisibility power to clarify, early access to power SETS come with prepurchasing Going Rogue while the early access to powers can be confused with the... |
P.S. I don't see in anyway at all how the GR item pack can be mistaken for the 60 month vets badge... How can someone make that mistake? The only time 60 month vets and GR is listed together is when people refer to the loyalty program which is about the CB not the item pack that you can get with GR.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Kheldarn
But in the end, you really only have two things to choose between: Early Access to DP & DS, or a free month of game play. The four items you listed will be made available for digital purchase with the release of Going Rogue.
Since you can get those items with either the Pre-Purchase Digital Download or the Hard Copy Boxed Set, they're not really much of a perk. |
Please make sure you read all of my information next time before you try to correct it. I have all of the information that I wanted to state right there. I was not talking about the item pack, I only mentioned it...
A really long post followed by three more posts with no one else replying, and you haven't got a merge or a penalty?
Quote:
A bit off topic, but if you want an explanation here it is... I actually forgot I could multi-quote for the those first ones. Then I actually tried to merge my own, but since i can't delete my own posts and it would have looked dumb to have three blank posts, I left them. I would guess I didn't get in trouble for it because it's a thread started by me and it's not like I'm on here spamming. Most people that would do that would be spamming a thread, which is against the forum rules and which I was not doing. I merely answered questions and commented on posts that others had left before me...|
Originally Posted by Mattwo7
A really long post followed by three more posts with no one else replying, and you haven't got a merge or a penalty?
|
If you have anymore questions like this ask me through PM. This is not the place to ask questions like that, as it is off-topic, adds no new information, and it seems that you are asking just to troll. If you have something constructive to say please post it here, if not PM your comments to me. Thanks!
So, is there some kind of an agreement people in Closed Beta sign that prevents them from telling us about anything? I'm assuming that some of them have gotten to experience the glory of DS, but yet I see not a word about it posted anywhere on the forums.
You don't have to physically sign anything, but there is a non-disclosure agreement in the welcome email they send you that you "agree" to simply by logging in to the test server. If you talk about anything going on in the closed beta, you a) have that post erased by a moderator, b) get kicked out of the closed beta and are blacklisted so you can never join a closed beta again. (Technically, this can happen just for telling people you're in the closed beta.)
Depending on the seriousness of your infraction, they could go so far as to ban you from using the forums and I think they can even ban your game account.
Main Hero: Chad Gulzow-Man (Victory) 50, 1396 Badges
Main Villain: Evil Gulzow-Man (Victory) 50, 1193 Badges
Mission Architect arcs: Doctor Brainstorm's An Experiment Gone Awry, Arc ID 2093
-----
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!
|
New update added about the server situation on the first post...
Quote:
Many people not in CB are updating their clients in preparation for OB. If that's negatively impacting the servers and thus the players in CB well... I doubt you're going to get much sympathy from the people that weren't lucky enough to get in. I understand that that will probably just make the CB take longer, and thus push OB farther away, I'm just saying.
|
Originally Posted by ZanderCross
UPDATED 4-2-10: Attention all eager for open beta!
Many of you are noticing that the Test Server updater is not working as normal. I'm sure it would help the situation get sorted out more quickly by the devs if everyone not in the CB would stop trying to connect the servers to update when they have no need to at this time. |
Quote:
I understand the "want", but I am just insinuating that it is not a "need"... Like I said it was just a suggestion. If people want to see OB sooner they should not try to connect to the training rooms at this time is all I'm suggesting. I'm glad you understand where most will just be like "Shut up! I want my shiny new toy now!" Oh well. I tried at least |
Originally Posted by D4nnYb0Y
Many people not in CB are updating their clients in preparation for OB. If that's negatively impacting the servers and thus the players in CB well... I doubt you're going to get much sympathy from the people that weren't lucky enough to get in. I understand that that will probably just make the CB take longer, and thus push OB farther away, I'm just saying.
|
Ya, I was just warning you that your cries were probably falling on deaf ears.
Quote:
It's called the NDA you agree to when you log into Closed Beta. Players who spill the beans, post screen shots, or otherwise break the NDA get the banhammer, and won't be invited to subsequent beta testings. There's little chance of anyone wanting to gamble losing their Going Rogue beta access by telling us things about Demon Summoning or Ultra Mode.
|
Originally Posted by Berzerker_NA
So, is there some kind of an agreement people in Closed Beta sign that prevents them from telling us about anything? I'm assuming that some of them have gotten to experience the glory of DS, but yet I see not a word about it posted anywhere on the forums.
|
Loose --> not tight.
Lose --> Did not win, misplace, cannot find, subtract.
One extra 'o' makes a big difference.
Ultra Mode was one of the highly touted parts of Going Rogue at HeroCon, but it was never stated by any of the Dev team as being a GR item only. They were likely hoping to have it out before GR, but not being sure of how schedules would work out that far in advance weren't ready (or allowed by Marketing) to say specifically when it would come out.