This might be somewhat of a shock... but bear with me when I say: Tankers do more damage, base, than Brutes.
Shocking! But true. Go to the character creator and check the "Real Numbers" on any tanker or brute power. Compare the Brute's damage to the Tankers and you'll find that tankers have a higher base damage.
This means that scrappers (base) do a heck of a lot more damage than brutes! At least until that fury bar gets up there, then they're actually doing far more.
Now... Assuming you give a tanker the same thing you'll wind up with Scrappers being blatantly overshadowed by the Tanker. The Brute would have a run for it's money, no less.
And that's not including the corner cases like Shield/SS, mind you. The ones who can (on occasion) cap their damage bonus.
So no. This is not a good idea.
-Rachel-
En oo, the opposite of yes.
tl:dr
No.
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Add: This sentiment applies to Kheldians too, especially now that they're going to be unlocked at 20 instead of 50.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
My main problem with solo Tankers (and Defenders) is that their inherent doesn't really provide any benefit unless they have teammates. I'm not sure if mini-Fury is the best direction to go, but I do think Tankers should have an inherent that is useful while solo.
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Originally Posted by Oneirohero
I feel Tanks are already quite solo-friendly if you slot their attacks with accuracy to get the most damage out of their attacks as possible.
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Wait a sec. We're not allowed to suggest stuff we want without getting reprimanded by a bunch of uppity forum goers? Sure, opinion, yeah whatever but are you actually aware of what you're spouting out there?
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Not for suggesting ideas.
For suggesting biased, unnecessary wants, based entirely on incompetence and incorrect information anyway. |
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it a player suggestion that Tanks get a Fury-like mechanic that led to Brutes?
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My point is, if you're going to suggest something to fix a perceived problem, at least spend some time to learn about it first.|
Originally Posted by Leo_G
Wait a sec. We're not allowed to suggest stuff we want without getting reprimanded by a bunch of uppity forum goers? Sure, opinion, yeah whatever but are you actually aware of what you're spouting out there?
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"My defender doesn't do as much damage as my blaster, so defenders need more damage." is not a valid suggestion. Neither is "my tank doesn't do as much damage as my brute, let's find a way to make tanks do more damage."
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don'T attempt to read tHis mEssaGe, And believe Me, it is not a codE.
its the way you flame the ops that doesnt get your point anywhere.
maybe if you pointed out something better then your temper tantrum you could actually get a actual point.
at the end of the day its his god given right to use the "suggestions" forum to suggest something he would like.
but dont tell him hes wrong on everything based on things you dont know about.then try to save face..sorry but any point you try to make now is mute
No hate or grumpiness intended here. Sorry if it came across that way. I was trying to point out that the OP was correct in that they had looked at the Fury mechanic for Tanks, but that it never happened, at least not live.
Having read many other threads around the forums discussing this same idea, I was under the impression that the reason tanks never received the fury mechanic was two-fold. To paraphrase "it would make tanks overpowered" compared to scrappers. To much damage for such a high level of survivability was always the reasoning brought forth. The second obviously being it ended up being used for Brutes.
I also added Castle's quote stating it would never happen for tanks.
I do think Gauntlet is a mediocre at best inherent, but until someone comes up with a better idea it's what tanks are stuck with. 
Throwing darts at the board to see if something sticks.....
Come show your resolve and fight my brute!
Tanks: Gauntlet, the streak breaker and you!
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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No disagreement here that Tanks, Fenders and Kheldians lose out on the inherents in that, if your not on a team, you effectively dont get an inherent.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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And I say, if you think the suggestion is 'wrong', tell them why its wrong on the same terms you want them to prove its right. Otherwise, express your opinion and let it be. Because, just if you haven't noticed, *you're* the one acting like a **** here...
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
My point is, if you're going to suggest something to fix a perceived problem, at least spend some time to learn about it first.
"My defender doesn't do as much damage as my blaster, so defenders need more damage." is not a valid suggestion. Neither is "my tank doesn't do as much damage as my brute, let's find a way to make tanks do more damage." |
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Yes I am. But after the third time this guy has suggested the same thing and been told the same thing, I have every right to start jamming it down his throat.
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
And I say, if you think the suggestion is 'wrong', tell them why its wrong on the same terms you want them to prove its right. Otherwise, express your opinion and let it be. Because, just if you haven't noticed, *you're* the one acting like a **** here...
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Where to now?
Check out all my guides and fiction pieces on my blog.
The MFing Warshade | The Last Rule of Tanking | The Got Dam Mastermind
Everything Dark Armor | The Softcap
don'T attempt to read tHis mEssaGe, And believe Me, it is not a codE.
I would actually love this suggestion, reason I never play any Tanks is because of the damage output. I like to solo more than anything and would very much like to play a toon that can take just about whatever is given to them. Only toon of mine that can really do this is my fire/kin, which to say the least is getting very old.
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Ehh, no you don't... |
Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
Yes I am. But after the third time this guy has suggested the same thing and been told the same thing, I have every right to start jamming it down his throat.
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You don't need to troll. Just post why YOU don't think it's a good or bad idea and/or ways to improve it and move on with life. It's pointless arguing in the "For Fun!" section. And once you have stated your point there is nothing more to say, posting the same reply is pointless.
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That's sort of why I don't play Tankers, but not because of the dmg but because...well, Tankers are team-oriented melee and I tend to solo or small-team. Gauntlet would do nothing where crit and fury and assassination do something when solo...| I would actually love this suggestion, reason I never play any Tanks is because of the damage output. I like to solo more than anything and would very much like to play a toon that can take just about whatever is given to them. Only toon of mine that can really do this is my fire/kin, which to say the least is getting very old. |
...but even solo, I'll play a defender because they inherently play different from blasters...never really got into corruptors for some reason...but I rarely play defenders anymore either...
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| Yes I am. But after the third time this guy has suggested the same thing and been told the same thing, I have every right to start jamming it down his throat. |
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I wanted to say a bunch of things, but I'll stick with that. Well said, Leo, and thank you for giving me that phrasing |
Originally Posted by Leo_G
If you've got the self-proclaimed right to jam anything down anyone's throat, then we have the right to suggest whatever the hell we damn well want.
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I'd put that in my sig, if I were the kind of person to alter a signature I've had for the past six years...
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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I did some personal testing on the notion that tank were so much slower than brutes running solo a couple of years ago when the Rikti issue came out. I had a SS/Inv brute and an Inv/SS tank.
Running the Dark Watcher arc with the brute took me 44 minute, if I recall correctly.
Running it with the Tank took me around 52 minutes.
So yes, they are slower, I guess, but not so slow that it really mattered much.
Now, of course, my settings are different than other people's. At the time, I ran both characters on the second highest setting, which is the last one that would not allow AVs to spawn while running solo.
And these ATs, while mirrors of each other, are probably not reflective of mirrors all across the tank/brute spectrum. If I understand correctly, SS is considered to be a pretty high damage archetype for a tank.
And I will say that there were some levels, around 15-25, where playing the tanker solo was deathly frustrating in comparison to playing the brute solo. But once the 30's hit, the tanker and the brute were roughly equivalent, imo, soloing experiences.