Clash of the Giants(Monsters that is)
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Posted on: 2010-02-22 18:23 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Ooo. I forgot about that one. I think he could easily dethrone Hamidon.
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
Rularuu
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It all becomes a bit moot when you factor in a Dimension Destroyer like Rularuu 
Hmm. I would say...Ukon'Grai is pretty damn tough. The Kronos Titan can be put down by a single team (Using the SF version as a base profile) whereas Ukon tends to be a matter of everyone focussing fire on him. Lusca comes into that group, so, disqualifying Rularuu for being that hax 
My votes;
1 - Hamidon
2 - Crystal Titan (Untyped damage is NOT nice)
3 - Lusca
Runner up - Ukon' Grai
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The Crystal Titan isn't particularly tough if you have plenty of Ambrosia though.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
It all becomes a bit moot when you factor in a Dimension Destroyer like Rularuu
Hmm. I would say...Ukon'Grai is pretty damn tough. The Kronos Titan can be put down by a single team (Using the SF version as a base profile) whereas Ukon tends to be a matter of everyone focussing fire on him. Lusca comes into that group, so, disqualifying Rularuu for being that hax My votes; 1 - Hamidon 2 - Crystal Titan (Untyped damage is NOT nice) 3 - Lusca Runner up - Ukon' Grai |
Hamidon is clearly at the top. I don't count Rularuu since he's not actually in the game.
Ukon'Grai holds up fairly well against several teams of heroes.
I'd say, Hamidon, Ukon'Grai and then Lusca.
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Why would the other monsters have Ambrosia? (Or Essence of the Earth, if that comes up.) The fact that Hamidon and the Crystal Titan do nonstandard (or untyped) damage is a big deal in a dust-up like this; the other monsters are resistant to the normal damage types, but not to what these two can dish out, as far as I know. Really, the only question is whether or not the Titan attacks often enough to overcome the other monster's regen with its unresisted damage; I would guess that it does against most of them. Hamidon (as a whole, and probably the nucleus by itself) certainly does. So, the top two slots are probably:|
Originally Posted by Zikar
The Crystal Titan isn't particularly tough if you have plenty of Ambrosia though.
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1) Hamidon
2) The Crystal Titan
Beyond that, you've got slugfests. All else being equal, most of the monsters are going to be pitting heavily resisted damage against huge regen. If Jack and Eochai are anything to go by, monsters of roughly equal base level aren't going to make much headway against each other. Lusca might be an exception to this if she can bring all of her tentacles to bear on a single opponent; even so, the individual tentacles' damage isn't that impressive, and is likely to be the most resisted type for most of her opponents. On the other hand, if you pit a monster from one of the higher zones against one from the lower zones, the higher-leveled one has an edge, because their base level affects their total hit points (and, by extension, their regen). The Kronos should easily stomp the Kraken, for example.
As a rule of thumb, I'd rank the rest by their base level, with Lusca getting a slight bump for the extra tentacles. There are several indeterminate matches as well; I would guess that Deathsurge and the Ghost of Scrapyard are unlikely to be defeated by most of the others, simply because they won't stick around to get beat on. Similarly, the Arachnos Flier is likely to bubble up and fly away before getting smashed. On the other hand, they won't defeat monsters close to their level that way, either.
So, who's my pick?
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That sounds about right. Lusca isn't the hardest of the GM's to fight by far, but if you get all 8 tentacles firing that will kill about anything. |
Originally Posted by Zikar
The Crystal Titan isn't particularly tough if you have plenty of Ambrosia though.
Hamidon is clearly at the top. I don't count Rularuu since he's not actually in the game. Ukon'Grai holds up fairly well against several teams of heroes. I'd say, Hamidon, Ukon'Grai and then Lusca. |
For fun lets throw in some specific Battles.
Babbage vs. Paladin
Babbage on his own would seem to top Paladin, as it has more attacks as well as resistance. But if you allow the fact that up to three Paladins can spawn at once, what do you think? Could 1 Babbage hold its own against 3 Paladins?
Jurrasik vs. Jack in Irons
I actually dont know much about these guys, but they both look beastly with their clubs.
Caleb vs. Deathsurge
Both demons in their own respect. Havent fought either of these two myself.
The toughest GMs, numerically speaking, are U'kon Gr'ai (level 54) and the Kronos Titan (outdoor FF version, level 52). Hamidon is a raid mob so he's a special case, but his core has around 45k hp, which is the same as Ghost of Scrapyard (who is in turn a level 30 GM). DE Monsters are generic lvl 50 GMs, so they also rank up there numerically
From weakest to strongest:
Kraken
Paladin
Babbage
Deathsurge
Lusca*
Adamastor
Eochai
Ghost of Scrapyard
Jack in Irons
Caleb
Jurassik.
*Lusca being a special case because it's 9 GMs in one, the main one having shiploads of resistances to all damage types.
The rest would be tough to decide depending on the criteria, but U'kon Gr'ai reamins the only level 54 GM ingame (aside from dropships)
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I think Jurrasik spawn at a higher level, but Jack in Irons is actually pretty beastly in the damage and regeneration departments. I'd say Jack has that fight.|
Originally Posted by Shadowclone
Jurrasik vs. Jack in Irons
I actually dont know much about these guys, but they both look beastly with their clubs. |
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Caleb vs. Deathsurge Both demons in their own respect. Havent fought either of these two myself. |
Protector used to set up events where a Kronos Titan would fight three Paladins and a couple of other robotic enemies, all at once. I think they called it "robot rampage"; there are screenshots and videos floating around out there someplace.
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Originally Posted by Olantern
Protector used to set up events where a Kronos Titan would fight three Paladins and a couple of other robotic enemies, all at once. I think they called it "robot rampage"; there are screenshots and videos floating around out there someplace.
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From weakest to strongest:
Kraken
Paladin
Babbage
Deathsurge
Lusca*
Adamastor
Eochai
Ghost of Scrapyard
Jack in Irons
Caleb
Jurassik.
Sally.
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The Kronos Titan will easily win. Not only does it have a better spread of resistances than most, but (most importantly) its plasma blasts do -Regen.
Speak of the devil, while running around Croatoa I found a battle between Eochai and Jack in Irons. Watching it now.
Any predictions? I'm guessing Jack wins, because he has a lot of debuffs.
0-o A huge redcap with a bomb strapped to it just jumped on Eochai...
(Side note: Yay. I managed to find Sally at the same time.)
Ah well... turns out the heroes who end up killing them win.
Just to mess up your predictions a bit more... be sure to throw in the Lord of Winter... especially when you consider his immunity while his Winter Lords take over at every quarter health drop rendering him immune...
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Originally Posted by Balanced
Why would the other monsters have Ambrosia? (Or Essence of the Earth, if that comes up.) The fact that Hamidon and the Crystal Titan do nonstandard (or untyped) damage is a big deal in a dust-up like this; the other monsters are resistant to the normal damage types, but not to what these two can dish out, as far as I know. Really, the only question is whether or not the Titan attacks often enough to overcome the other monster's regen with its unresisted damage; I would guess that it does against most of them. Hamidon (as a whole, and probably the nucleus by itself) certainly does. So, the top two slots are probably:
1) Hamidon 2) The Crystal Titan Beyond that, you've got slugfests. All else being equal, most of the monsters are going to be pitting heavily resisted damage against huge regen. If Jack and Eochai are anything to go by, monsters of roughly equal base level aren't going to make much headway against each other. Lusca might be an exception to this if she can bring all of her tentacles to bear on a single opponent; even so, the individual tentacles' damage isn't that impressive, and is likely to be the most resisted type for most of her opponents. On the other hand, if you pit a monster from one of the higher zones against one from the lower zones, the higher-leveled one has an edge, because their base level affects their total hit points (and, by extension, their regen). The Kronos should easily stomp the Kraken, for example. As a rule of thumb, I'd rank the rest by their base level, with Lusca getting a slight bump for the extra tentacles. There are several indeterminate matches as well; I would guess that Deathsurge and the Ghost of Scrapyard are unlikely to be defeated by most of the others, simply because they won't stick around to get beat on. Similarly, the Arachnos Flier is likely to bubble up and fly away before getting smashed. On the other hand, they won't defeat monsters close to their level that way, either. So, who's my pick? *Holds up "Save Sally!" sign.* |
if you want to see some GMs fight for no good reason, go to AE because you CAN use DE monsters, kraken, and ghost of scrapyard
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But Lord Winter isn't a GM, like Reichsman, he's completely in his own category.|
Originally Posted by Steelclaw
Just to mess up your predictions a bit more... be sure to throw in the Lord of Winter... especially when you consider his immunity while his Winter Lords take over at every quarter health drop rendering him immune...
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So going on this: Reichsman vs. Lord Winter, let the slugfest begin!
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Actually they both have too much regen to kill one another. I don't know if this was still the case, but a while ago if the two had been battling for long enough it would actually be impossible for any team to do enough damage to get the badge upon defeat, since your team had to dish out at least 25% of the total damage inflicted upon the GM (and the other GM would do much more than a team of 8 player characters).|
Originally Posted by Shadowclone
Speak of the devil, while running around Croatoa I found a battle between Eochai and Jack in Irons. Watching it now.
Any predictions? I'm guessing Jack wins, because he has a lot of debuffs. 0-o A huge redcap with a bomb strapped to it just jumped on Eochai... (Side note: Yay. I managed to find Sally at the same time.) Ah well... turns out the heroes who end up killing them win. |
That's funny about the Redcap jumping onto Eochai's back though, I've never seen that happen before.
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I know there are some videos on YouTube. I stumbled across them a year or so back.|
Originally Posted by Olantern
Protector used to set up events where a Kronos Titan would fight three Paladins and a couple of other robotic enemies, all at once. I think they called it "robot rampage"; there are screenshots and videos floating around out there someplace.
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I've also seen videos of giant monsters getting confused by teams of Mind/ Controllers. And as far as I've seen, the Kronos titan can spawn in most zones, as long as the mission holder finds some way to bypass city zones on the way there by using things like Ouroboros. Now all we need is a scale to rank GMs on judged by how quickly they kill/die to a confused Kronos titan and we're set!
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Not sure that any of the GM's can actually outdamage each others regen. If they can, it makes for a long, long, long boring fight.
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under the current system, its impossible for GMs to kill each other, they have too few attacks and dont do enough dmg because of the huge resists, and NPC vs NPC works slightly different than player vs NPC|
Originally Posted by SoilentGreen
Not sure that any of the GM's can actually outdamage each others regen. If they can, it makes for a long, long, long boring fight.
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as i mentioned earlier in the thread, if you really want to see some GMs fight, make an AE mish with a very small map and just put ghost of scrapyard and the kraken in it and watch them duke it out (kraken is equivalent to a lvl 14, scrapyard is equivalent to a lvl 30)
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Yeah, I was watching Jack fight Eochai for awhile, with no difference. |
Originally Posted by SoilentGreen
Not sure that any of the GM's can actually outdamage each others regen. If they can, it makes for a long, long, long boring fight.
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Oh, when I went to get a closer look, I learned that even with invis on you can get good damage from the AoE on their attacks...
Oh! According the new I17 news, we will have the ability to put some GMs in outdoor mishes in AE.
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The latter two have on occasion fought during the Halloween Events. Does anyone happen to recall which if either did better?
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Originally Posted by Silverado
From weakest to strongest:
Kraken Paladin Babbage Deathsurge Lusca* Adamastor Eochai Ghost of Scrapyard |
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If we were to have a brawl with all of the Giant Monsters, who would win? And, if we assume that Hamidon is the best, then who would be the second best?
Could the tentacaly Lusca defeat the Kronos Titan? Or could the U'Kon Gr'ai lay waste to the Jack in Irons?
Who, in your opinion is the most fearsome Giant Monster around?
Edited for U'kon Gr'ai's name. I feel stupid, since I jus got the parody.