Wanting help regarding video cards (Ultra Mode question)


Cade Lawson

 

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Hello all.

I'm asking this a little in advance as from what I've read over in Developers' Corner, the final numbers and specifications of what Ultra Mode is going to run and be handled by don't seem entirely in yet. We have the guidelines handed out by Posi, and that's reasonable enough.

My situation is as follows: I have a very strong PC at the moment, running a i5-750 chip with 2gig of DDR3 RAM (I'll be going up to 4 soon) and a Thermaltake 650W power supply on a GA-P55-UDR3 Gigabyte motherboard. The video card however is a (by modern standards) a slightly lowly Nvidia 9600GT 1GB.

Now, I have no problem running most games; I play LotRo on Very High settings, Champions on Very High settings, and the PC shrugs and goes 'so what?' when it comes to playing. I have very few problems at all.

Now I see the guide to Ultra Mode and wonder where I sit in that spectrum. Posi notes your processor might affect where you sit in terms of performance, and I'm a good generation or two above the recommended specs for running CoH. That being said, I've been looking over prices for video cards out here and it seems Raedon is becoming the more readily available of the cards out there. I know nothing about Raedon cards and how that's going to affect my overall play. I've always bought Nvidia.

I think I also wouldn't mind knowing just what the range of settings in Ultra Mode are going to look like. Like most people, I've only seen the HeroCon videos and screenshots, but I don't have a frame of reference for where that falls.

However, I did recently try a game that I saw at a convention, Planet Calypso. Now the requirements on that game were massive; my rig as it stood put it into the Medium High range of system and video requirements. As it used the Crysis game engine (or so I understood at reading), it seemed comparable to the situation we'll be getting here. Would I be wrong in that?

I'd like to hear from experienced hands where I might sit and also ask for some guidance about Raedon; I'll be pouring through the Ultra Mode thread to understand more, but I thought here would be a good place to start.


S.


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An MMO that's using the CryEngine 2, ouch.

Hopefully our Ultra Mode is nothing like the CryEngine 2 in terms of performance. At enthusiast settings (knobs turned to 11) I don't think I've seen any single GPU setup that could run Crysis at above 30FPS and at a reasonably high resolution at the same time. That could just be a problem with Crysis and not the engine in general but looking at Calypso's recommended requirements that may also not be the case.


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CoH isn't like most games that you listed. CoH uses OpenGL and those other games are DirectX games. Apples and Oranges.

CoH also will stress a system like no other game I've run. I use how the computer handles CoH as a guide to how good of a system it is.

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I think I also wouldn't mind knowing just what the range of settings in Ultra Mode are going to look like. Like most people, I've only seen the HeroCon videos and screenshots, but I don't have a frame of reference for where that falls.
We'd all like to see what that range of settings is, but all we have to go on is Posi's posts so far, and the little bit we gleaned at HeroCon. Until we are given more definitive explanations, it's all purely conjecture. True, for some it is more informed conjecture than it is for others, but it's still conjecture.


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An MMO that's using the CryEngine 2, ouch.

Hopefully our Ultra Mode is nothing like the CryEngine 2 in terms of performance. At enthusiast settings (knobs turned to 11) I don't think I've seen any single GPU setup that could run Crysis at above 30FPS and at a reasonably high resolution at the same time. That could just be a problem with Crysis and not the engine in general but looking at Calypso's recommended requirements that may also not be the case.
Something to remember about Crytek is that their engines are horribly inefficient. Back when Far Cry hit, Epic Software was able to generate the same types of visual affects at equivalent resolutions with about 1/3 higher frame-rates. Ergo, the Unreal Engine was doing the same work for about 2/3 the processing load. When Crysis hit, again, Epic was doing the equivalent visual effects at equivalent resolutions... while managing higher frame-rates.

While ID hasn't been vocal about the performance of Tech 5, we do know that their Tech 3 and Tech 4 engines were capable of pushing equivelent visual effects to the Crytek engines... again... with higher framerates, indicating a lower processor load.

While Crytek is known for wowing the press with it's visual effects on each new engine or game, there was a reason only one other game not made by Crytek used the original CryEngine... Okay, that game was AION... but the term HEAVILY MODIFIED has been tossed around a lot. Okay, CryEngine two saw a bit better success, with a couple of Independent developers picking up a license: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CryEngine_2

Anyways, using anything by Crytek as a performance benchmark is sort of like using anything from Futuremark as a performance benchmark. Outside of a series of specific applications, the actual code looks, and performs, like nothing somebody working on a mass-market targeted commercial property would use.


 

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There is always a game every few years that brings the current generation elite gameing system to it's knees. Before Crysis was Oblivion. Before Oblivion was FEAR with soft shadows on. Before FEAR was Farcry and the circle is now complete. Of course this was back in the day before LCD panels were locked at 60Hz.

In other news, nVidia says not to expect a new mainstream GPUs based on the GF100 technology (Fermi) any time soon because their current crop of mainstream GPUs are "fabulous".

If it wasn't for their success with their Tegra system on a chip that's in the latest rev of the Zune, that news would make me want to sell nVidia stock, if I had any, which I don't, just to be clear Mr. SEC.

The G210, GT220 and GT240 are Dx10.1 but the GT240 tops out at $120 (with 1GB of GDDR5 memory) but it's performance is less than the 9600GT. So between that and the Fermi all nVidia has left are the G9x based Dx10 video cards, assuming the GT200 based ones are truly being phased out. I have no idea what nVidia is thinking.


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Just as a quick note to demonstrate what I was talking about with Planet Calypso:

https://account.entropiauniverse.com...-requirements/

I've never seen an MMO with such high requirements.


S.
woof. That'd better be a REALLY innovative MMO - they're asking alot (for an MMO) at the high settings.


 

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Well....it's not, really. Aside from making their own real-world banking system and the whole point of the game (from what I've read) is to run around and get more real-world money from doing stuff and investing your own money into the game.....

Freaks me out as a concept.

S.


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Well....it's not, really. Aside from making their own real-world banking system and the whole point of the game (from what I've read) is to run around and get more real-world money from doing stuff and investing your own money into the game.....

Freaks me out as a concept.

S.
After looking at the explanation on the site (which you've summed up very well here), I thought to myself "Great - now the feds really WILL be looking to tax video game currency ..."

Scary idea - imagine what theft of account information in THAT game would cost you ...

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After looking at the explanation on the site (which you've summed up very well here), I thought to myself "Great - now the feds really WILL be looking to tax video game currency ..."

Scary idea - imagine what theft of account information in THAT game would cost you ...

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