5th Column a 'V' reference?
The reference is a bit older:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_column
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The 5th column's uniforms are especially close to a Nazi uniform. Take that as a clue as to the true reference.
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The term originated with a 1936 radio address by Emilio Mola, a Nationalist General during the 193639 Spanish Civil War. As his army approached Madrid, he broadcasted a message that the four columns of his forces outside the city would be supported by a "fifth column" of his supporters inside the city, intent on undermining the Republican government from within (see Siege of Madrid). |
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Yeah, I found those wiki entries... so I'm thinking maybe both CoX and 'V' are drawing from the same source. And I've seen the uniform similarities between them and the Nazi's (the grey shirts) but the red shirts do resemble the red shirts on 'V', so I had to ask.
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Yeah, I found those wiki entries... so I'm thinking maybe both CoX and 'V' are drawing from the same source. And I've seen the uniform similarities between them and the Nazi's (the grey shirts) but the red shirts do resemble the red shirts on 'V', so I had to ask.
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I'm thinking "all of the above"
The CoH crew is very good at throwing in pop culture references in obscure places. It very well may be they drew the name from all of those things combined. The Nazis, the original reference, AND a V reference all rolled into one. It wouldn't be out of character for the devs to do something like that.
For the record....Doc Delilah is inspired by She-Hulk and Doc Samson. Pretty obvious really. (I know it doesn't relate to the topic, just thought I'd mention it)
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Direct historical reference, as is V's.
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And the 5th Column went time traveling to invade the Romans! We've come full circle!
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...ok, that one's a stretch
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... I'm no Alan Moore.
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Unless my memory is playing me false, the alliterative V-introduction speech is solely in the film (V's opening lines in the comic are quite different). So Alan Moore didn't write it either
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Ok I had to answer to this when I saw it. Just so we are all clear: First, yes, look up Fifth Column it refers to that seige at Madrid I believe that was talked about, that's where the term comes from. Second, the Fifth Column, if you read the info about them (like on ParagonWiki, forget where else) they originated from the Nazis in WWII in the game story. Third, Their uniforms are based on the Nazi colors (gray, black, red and the white in their emblem), also their emblem is compsoed of wings like from the German eagle symbol used then with a rendition of a "death's head" over a "V" the Roman numeral for "5". Lastly, the 5th Column were in the game years before the recent show "V" was created. And just for some background info: the Column was removed due to a dispute about the game in Germany, for obvious reasons. They fairly recently brought back the Column in Issue 11, more majorly in Issue 15. There you have it, just so everyone is clear. =)
Ok I had to answer to this when I saw it. Just so we are all clear: First, yes, look up Fifth Column it refers to that seige at Madrid I believe that was talked about, that's where the term comes from. Second, the Fifth Column, if you read the info about them (like on ParagonWiki, forget where else) they originated from the Nazis in WWII in the game story. Third, Their uniforms are based on the Nazi colors (gray, black, red and the white in their emblem), also their emblem is compsoed of wings like from the German eagle symbol used then with a rendition of a "death's head" over a "V" the Roman numeral for "5". Lastly, the 5th Column were in the game years before the recent show "V" was created. And just for some background info: the Column was removed due to a dispute about the game in Germany, for obvious reasons. They fairly recently brought back the Column in Issue 11, more majorly in Issue 15. There you have it, just so everyone is clear. =)
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And although CoX may not have pulled from 'V: The Final Battle'; both apparently are using the same source to construct their respective antogonists.
The Visitors also utilize a red, black and grey color scheme. Their emblem is a play off the Swastika. They have a Fifth Column faction within their ranks (Fascists btw; according to wiki) that seek to usurp the current Leadership of the Visitors.
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There is of course additional context.
In the wake of the Spanish Civil War, "fifth column" became a general term for any subversive organization working in support of the enemy in wartime (hot or cold). It was applied to organizations like the German-American Bund during WW II and those which supported (or were perceived as supporting) the Soviets during the Cold War, especially during periods of high anti-communist feeling like the McCarthy era. 'Fifth columnist" was an accusation/insult that ranked with "com-symp" and "fellow traveller" in those days.
Robert Heinlein turned the term on its head in the novel later published as The Day After Tomorrow, which was originally entitled Sixth Column, referring to covert action by citizens of a conquered America opposing the invaders.
The movie V was based on a graphic novel written by Alan Moore decades before this game came along.
afterthought - oh, THAT "V". As Yogi notes, the original series was made in the 70's (SyFy just ran a marathon of episodes and the original miniseries) and surely, there are some visual and script references to the 1970's "V" series which resonate with our own favorite Nazi punching bags.
V the miniseries and later series was notable for, among other things, being a breakout part of Michael Ironside, setting his typecasting as a hardnosed sonofagun for years to come. Favorite line:
Ironside opens the first of several cans of whupbutt on a human traitor who has been working for the Visitors. Another resistance fighter asks "You gonna kill him?" Ironside responds "As many times as I can."
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Michael Ironside kind of reprised that role on Terminator: Salvation. An hard-nosed, officer of the organized portion of the resistance movement that adhered to the chain-of-command that has to deal with another (John Conner) that holds more rank/respect over the more independent portions of the resistance.
lol, now that I think about it... there's a few other similarities between T4 and V: TFB that may lead back to Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
Entities bent on the takeover of the human species; wearing human skins in order to infiltrate and subvert while processing/transporting humans for food/experimentation.
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Lastly, the 5th Column were in the game years before the recent show "V" was created.
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... the 5th Column were in the game years before the recent show "V" was created.
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Well done that man. An exxxcellent effort. Reminiscent of Coleridge's XXXanadu (well not really but I had to get XXXanadu in somehow).
Unless my memory is playing me false, the alliterative V-introduction speech is solely in the film (V's opening lines in the comic are quite different). So Alan Moore didn't write it either :-) |
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So I'm watching bits and pieces of the 'V' marathon (old school version) and find that the rebel faction of Visitors are called '5th Column'. The Raerei's even have similar outfits.
So is CoX's 5th modeled after the Visitors or is it a direct historical reference... or a little of both?
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