Attack Chains (minimal attack powers) *Attention Werner!


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Werner,

I've read your comments on various attack chains and you seem to be an authority on the subject. I was particularly intrigued in your interest in minimal attack chains.

Out of all the scrapper primaries what would be in your opinion the most solid attack chain using the least amount of attack powers?

-Arboris


 

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Originally Posted by Arboris_NA View Post
Werner,

I've read your comments on various attack chains and you seem to be an authority on the subject. I was particularly intrigued in your interest in minimal attack chains.

Out of all the scrapper primaries what would be in your opinion the most solid attack chain using the least amount of attack powers?

-Arboris
I'm gonna go ahead and guess that he's going to answer with DM's MG>Smite>SL>Smite. Superior dps with a self-heal, especially when combined with a saturated SD.

edit: I'll add the caveat that the above is for a high-recharge build. For a low-recharge build, I'd go with Fire Melee's Incinerate>Scorch>Cremate>Scorch.


 

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Dark Melee for Midnight Grasp -> Smite -> Siphon Life -> Smite, just like Gaidin said.

With many primaries, you can get away with three attacks for a good attack chain, and often it's the top attack chain. Lots of secondaries benefit from defense, but you're going to be using four attacks for Katana or Broad Sword when doing that. Mind you, my Katana/Dark is only using three - Divine Avalanche -> Gambler's Cut -> Sting of the Wasp -> Gambler's Cut. But you'd have to be crazy (like me) to drop your two biggest attacks just to save a power pick. DPS suffers, plus no knockup/down. Other primaries have their good minimalist chains too, of course, but I find myself wanting either a heal or defense from my primary. Since Dark Melee's minimalist chain has a heal at the same time as being the top DPS chain for that primary, I think it wins the minimalist attack chain battle.


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Thanks guys!

If I wanted to go Dark/SR what kind of recharge would I need for that chain to work.

Arboris


 

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Originally Posted by Arboris_NA View Post
Thanks guys!

If I wanted to go Dark/SR what kind of recharge would I need for that chain to work.

Arboris
MG - 235% recharge
Smite - 185%
SL - 117%


 

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MG - 235% recharge
This just stood out to me, since the best DPS chain for Katana requires 250% in GD. You DM folks couldn't have it better


 

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Originally Posted by Arboris_NA View Post
If I wanted to go Dark/SR what kind of recharge would I need for that chain to work.
Questions like this are why I'm working on my attack string calculator. Should be done within a few months since I got one of my irl friends helping me out with it.


 

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Originally Posted by Laevateinn View Post
This just stood out to me, since the best DPS chain for Katana requires 250% in GD. You DM folks couldn't have it better

One important caveat:

Single target only.

There is far more to "damage" than uber-fast single-target chains.


 

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Originally Posted by Umbral View Post
Questions like this are why I'm working on my attack string calculator. Should be done within a few months since I got one of my irl friends helping me out with it.
Nice... there'll be about 1000 options we'll all want to be able to toggle on/off with it. I'm sure once we've got it we'll give you plenty of input on things we want it to do.

(hint: to be able to pull enhcnement/proc/and global stat data from a mid's build would be a huge)


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Has anyone figured out the best ST attack chain for a Spines/ scrapper?


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Has anyone figured out the best ST attack chain for a Spines/ scrapper?

Barb Swipe-> Lunge -> /reroll as Fire/


 

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Originally Posted by Balefire_Djinn View Post
Barb Swipe-> Lunge -> /reroll as Fire/
I'm pretty sure it doesn't use Barb Swipe, and I can't reroll :P


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Barb Swipe-> Lunge -> /reroll as Fire/
Its funny because it's true.

heh.. this may only be funny to me, but I just looked at my spreadsheet for spines... it's so old it doesn't use arcana time and it's actually calculated in Brawl Index. It's also called "Spines 2.5" ?!?! ... I honestly don't remember why we were calling it Spines 2.5 anymore.


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Has anyone figured out the best ST attack chain for a Spines/ scrapper?
Fireblast>ring of fire>fireblast>ripper

While running quills and lightning field can get upwards of 150 DPS.... more with procs... err... wait.. didn't figure in the redraw time before ripper if there is one (I really don't know much about spines). It might be better to drop ripper for boxing.

... edited again, since I'm probably just talking to myself at this point...

I'm looking at spines for a toon i'm planning, not just for this thread, btw. For my purposes, I usually look at a low level attack chain also. Oddly enough, I think I might end up going with: Barbswipe>jumpkick> repeat while running the toggles. Which, coincidentally, is somewhat applicable to the OP's question.


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Went and made myself a Katana/Fire Armor...

What's the best DPS chain for Katana? Is it GC - SD - GD?

Is that chain even possible? GC - SD - GC - GD, perhaps?

What if I throw in 1 Divine Avalance per chain? 2 DA's per chain?


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Originally Posted by BrandX View Post
Went and made myself a Katana/Fire Armor...

What's the best DPS chain for Katana? Is it GC - SD - GD?

Is that chain even possible? GC - SD - GC - GD, perhaps?

What if I throw in 1 Divine Avalance per chain? 2 DA's per chain?
2>3>2>4 for no DA
1>2>4>2>3>2>4>2 for 1 DA

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NP
But Werner did all the work


Would love to see how you go around on building your Katana/Fire. Getting a headache trying to come up with a new build for mine ...


 

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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze View Post
NP
But Werner did all the work


Would love to see how you go around on building your Katana/Fire. Getting a headache trying to come up with a new build for mine ...
Well...here...this is a look at my current path of direction (remember I just use MiDS as a guide to wear to put my slots, and what IOs to WORK for...so, basically, it's just a LONG TERM goal...but besides the purples and 2 PvP IOs, I don't think it'll be that hard to obtain the sets I want)...and mine's alos a bit of concept...for instance, I took Temp Protection, LBE, and Fly for concept reasons.

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Whenever I hear the words spine I just think "Okay, grab a ton of procs for quills and maybe another damage aura if I'm taking fire/dark/elec and whatever aoes I can get...so I basically just hop in Spine Burst->Fire Ball->Hop out->Throw spines->Ripper the nearest strong baddie, most minions and lieus are dead by this point, hop to the next mobs and let my team mates finish off whatever isn't dead."


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Spines can get a lot of mileage out of fire blast from the epic and ripper is incredibly high damage, I'm not sure of any of the numbers, but fire blast has at least doubled the effectiveness of my spines vs single targets.


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I actually did do some math this weekend on spines. (and then played a spines/elec to level 25... if you see Slag Monkey on Freedom... that's me).

My low level chain was:

Lunge>barb swipe>impale>barb swipe...

At level 30 I'll be able to slot and run:

Ripper>Lunge>impale>Lunge...


That's not an enourmous amount of damage but it takes very little recharge which makes it very competative with the chains from other sets at lower recharge levels.

Also, I have discovered something I hadn't anticpated in playing the spines/electric all weekend. Because of the long animations, I really use endurance very slowly. In fact at level 25 I can quite easily run my attack chain non-stop with both damage toggles, one resistance power, my status effect power and superjump turned on. I even dropped the endurance IO out of my toggles and was still OK on endurance. Energize helps a lot. I'm not sure how to best abuse this huge fuel of energy, but it gives me something to work with.


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