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I can answer this. When you're looking to PuG, you acquire badges purely by accident. Many teams will just do radio missions and not story arcs, and hence you miss just about all of the arc specific badges. And if you're playing hardcore mode, you also try to avoid being mezzed and avoid taking damage as much as possible, hence you don't get badges for those. TA helps in that department as well.|
Originally Posted by BlazingTiger
After my 69 months of playing i can say, yes you do gain alot of strategy. You also gain a distinct knowledge of how many badges you gain from 1-50 playing normal content. I wont call it BS but i would like to know how he was able to avoid so many badges. I can only assume it was mostly radio missions solo.
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I can also tell you that he soloed very little on the way up. TA/Archery while a fine set is not the quickest soloer. It would truly be tedious to get to 50 that way. If I recall correctly, it took about 200 some hours to get 50 with Shaftist. No way you get there that quickly (even with better xp scaling) soloing radio missions at low difficulty. Also, note that we did this *before* the current difficulty scheme, so the capability to set number of players didn't exist at that point.
I've played with Prole for four years. Shaftist survived because amongst other qualities Prole is the best tank I've ever seen. He has superlative environmental awareness in a society where the concept is rapidly disappearing. If he says he did it, he did it.
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TopDoc got to 50 with a defender in the Iron Eagles (Justice hardcore SG). Our group was pretty restrictive, although not quite as much as this concept. I believe he mostly PuG'd also.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showt...=hardcore+debt
Original group was started by Catwhoorg, that was the group that Topdoc was a part of (and got to 35, sounds like he mostly solo'd up to that point). When Smurphy wanted to start a similar group we "took over" the Iron Eagles and ran it by his own (more restrictive) rules. That's when Topdoc took his character to 50.
As noted, these groups can lose steam quickly, and Smurph's version of the Iron Eagles are pretty much not active right now. But I do believe we had a few people who were in the high 20's and low to mid 30's without dying. My third toon was a Peacebringer that I had gotten up to 19 or 20 and is still in the SG and not dead yet. ^_^
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Originally Posted by MondoCool
This is the stupidest idea I have ever seen, and I have seen some pretty stupid ideas in my time. I seriously want to post point-by-point rebuttals to prove how stupid your idea is, but it's not even worth the effort. Please stop advertising your crappy SG that nobody is going to join here. I'm not even trolling.
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I want in on this.
Maybe it's just because I love "The Boys", but I would love that feeling of 'us against the world', with just a corner of my RP.
The only thing I can see ruining this for me, would be lack of RP or teamage.
Love me or hate me, it's still an obsession.
Yea, that group is pretty hardcore though my only thing is this; this game is based on comic books and the rules of the SG are extreemly harsh on how to rez, yet everyone knows, in comic books no one stays dead for ever.
Good luck with this group. Id actually be interested to see updates from time to time on the progress.
If I could offer a suggestion to the op, maybe lighten the rules a bit... I keep reading this thread and honestly the permadeath concept is not what's going to turn people away IMO. I was always fascinated by hardcore when I played DII and I'm sure after playing CoX longer (less than a year first 50 yesterday lol) I'd definitely want in on this if it weren't for some of the rules...
And for those in disbelief of Proletarian's accomplishment, get over it. Leveling through this game is easier than any other MMO I've ever played and getting to 50 with no deaths is highly possible if you play smart. Soloing +2/+8 yea probably not but even lvl or -1 mobs I think any class could do with little problems, some ATs could probably even go +1 or more as their abilities mature.
Global @radubadu
Usually playing one of the following toons blueside on Virtue:
Cadler 50 WP/SS tanker
Radubadu 46 Fire/Fire blaster
Hell Runner 35 Fire/Fire brute
I too am intrigued by this SG, I dont have the time to join as my SG keeps me busy but I would love to see how this progresses. I like the idea of permadeath and I wish you luck in finding more like minded players to join you. Have fun
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Just to clear up a few issues ...
1. I didnt make the rules.
2. I merely was given leadership and I thought it would be nice to continue with the founders ideas.
3. I dont like the idea of deleting a toon ive put a lot of time into either.
4. The people who have played with me over the last 4 years know that I do things intentionally to make it hard, this game is easy!!! I want a challenge!!! If you dont want a challenge ... move along.
5. I would be happy to change the rules if others came in and wanted to take up leadership positions and discuss what would make this SG fun and Challenging.
6. Personally I like the RP concept of a toon going into an undead state (freezing XP, making the toon all white in color), after a death and a team formed by the SG having to go do some very difficult mission (maybe a taylored AE mission) to find some item/cure/spell that will rez the fallen team mate.
If you think this SG has any kind of potential and want to be a part of it, and maybe you have some other cool ideas that are better then the founder, then let me know. I am always down for considering peoples ideas that are constructive and positive.
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Originally Posted by XeroCurve
Just to clear up a few issues ...
1. I didnt make the rules. 2. I merely was given leadership and I thought it would be nice to continue with the founders ideas. 3. I dont like the idea of deleting a toon ive put a lot of time into either. 4. The people who have played with me over the last 4 years know that I do things intentionally to make it hard, this game is easy!!! I want a challenge!!! If you dont want a challenge ... move along. 5. I would be happy to change the rules if others came in and wanted to take up leadership positions and discuss what would make this SG fun and Challenging. 6. Personally I like the RP concept of a toon going into an undead state (freezing XP, making the toon all white in color), after a death and a team formed by the SG having to go do some very difficult mission (maybe a taylored AE mission) to find some item/cure/spell that will rez the fallen team mate. If you think this SG has any kind of potential and want to be a part of it, and maybe you have some other cool ideas that are better then the founder, then let me know. I am always down for considering peoples ideas that are constructive and positive. |
1. But as the new leader you have the ability to change them.
2. Noble but just because he/she founded it doesn't mean it can't be improved upon.
3. Refer to response 1
4. Playing with no death and ignoring good features doesn't necessarily make it hard. You could solo -1 missions all the way to lvl 50 easily... it would take time but any experienced player could do it so doing it on a team would be no problem as long as all players know what they're doing.
5. I have no desire to take a leadership role or honestly I would ask as long as there were changes to be made.
6. That really is a cool idea.
Honestly the extremely long list of rules as a whole I think you should wipe and start over. Maybe make it so just death itself without a res power of some sort leads to your last point, I'm not really into RP but if I was I'd be all over that it really is a good idea. As far as not letting the member team with other players other than SG mates or soloing I assume that's to make sure they're not "cheating death" so to speak by dying and just not saying anything which I suppose makes sense to a point... but I think that's where I would allow the honor system to play a role. Also why not AE or radio missions? Those are part of the game too and frankly I don't see how they would detract from your theme.
But as far as dictating the use of Wentworth's and things like that... that's a bit extreme... more power to you if you find people to go along with that.
Ultimately I think you have a good idea... but like I said before I would definitely consider making some drastic changes to the rules.
Global @radubadu
Usually playing one of the following toons blueside on Virtue:
Cadler 50 WP/SS tanker
Radubadu 46 Fire/Fire blaster
Hell Runner 35 Fire/Fire brute
I'd actually be interested in doing something like this, especially including the RP aspect of it. Though if the character ever dies, instead of permanent deletion or zombifying I'd rather just remove them from the SG and exit them permanently from the challenge. I'm fine with the other restrictions.
And MondoCool's natural state is trolling.
So, I made a toon tonight. Her name is Outsider. A Willpower/Super Strength tank. I'll be looking for you ingame.
Love me or hate me, it's still an obsession.
I give it 2 weeks before it's completely defunct.
/e chuckles and exits stage left
"People who take offense to IC actions OOCly need to learn to differentiate between the two... Or change their damn meds."
I've read and reread all of the rules and I can't see any problems with most of it. Some of the rationality is fuzzy, like why you can't use AE missions or Ouroboros, but for the most part, ok. Whatever.
My only real problem is that alts in this SG cannot interact in any real way with anyone outside it essentially taking it out of the Virtue shard.
My typical RP style is to take everything going on around me into account when I'm doing something. Yes, that even means keeping in mind what the crowd in AP is doing should I happen to be there for whatever reason.
All that said, I might consider trying this someday, should the restrictions on teaming be lifted. It's supposedly a dangerous world out there in Paragon City, but it's hard to see that with the constant reviving from things that shouldn't be possible.
I have in the past done some hardcore on smaller scales. Mostly be restricting myself to doing or not doing one thing or another.
One toon that couldn't use rez powers for any reason and had to use the base's medical center to recover from being defeated.
Another that isn't able to use the mission portals in Croatoa.
Sheesh! Don't let the jerks discourage you. I think it sounds like a fun idea. I'm not hardcore enough to participate, but it sounds incredibly exciting.
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Hey guys. I actually ran a group like this in LOTRO, and I'd be interested in joining you guys.
To me, there is no better way to get really immersive RP than to be in a perma-death group. Everyone wants to RP a heroic character, but without real risks and sacrifices, in a way it is a hollow experience.
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In the permadeath group I ran in LOTRO, we did not count deaths due to game bugs, disconnects, AFK emergencies, etc. It was an honor system of course. I trusted the people that were playing because if they were afraid to delete, they wouldn't have been playing with us in the first place.
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Anyway, pst me. I'm usually on as Ultimate Parallax or Tider.
A lot of that is perception. There is certainly a great deal of non-useful posting, but if you look there is a lot of general feedback. Part of this thread is advertising, but along with that is also the reality that this particular idea does not seem to be appealing to people in the manner that would get it off of the ground and sustain it. There is a lot of useful feedback in this thread that may aid in that endeavor.