Beast Booster Pack!

And that's the same thing you already posted and which I already said is not what I'm asking for. And really, I didn't watch it all the way through the first time, I'm not going to watch even a bit of it now. I'm really not into that sort of nonsense.

And also it's tame compared to some things I've already seen on CoH.

Dom/Sub overtones are more than prevalent in City of Heroes, as are a few other "fetishes" such as latex/spandex and the like.

The admittance of these sorts of costume pieces is not going to see a flood of furries streaming in to take over the public channels and doing who knows what. And if they try, that's what petitions are for.

I just want to make a character with a mythological background that doesn't look like a person in a cheap set of slip on cat-ears.

Exactly.

Even the "monstrous" faces available are so limited with what they can do and if they could be shaped more they may be ok but the current selection is bland... and I'm going to bet now the only people making toons using the new features would be those that have themes that haven't acted on them because of the lack of decent options, which I never thought I would say regarding the CoX costume creator.

Yeah, well, good thing thats not what people are asking for.

Good grief, there are people out there with foot fetishes, robot fetishes, pain fetishes, as many possible things you could think of and more. Giving more options to people who couldnt give a flying lump of excrement about that sort of stuff will do absolutely nothing to persuade or disuade people of that nature.

And hey, they'd still be paying for the game anyway, and that goes back around.
Seriously, this hacks me off every time.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

The funny thing about that link is people are all ready to jump 'FURRYFURRYFURRY'

But do they even acknowledge the strong watersports overtone? Apparently Mrs. Tokyo is okay dousing people with yellow liquid.

*BURN*

But back on topic:
Lycanus, thanks for those pics. I really don't feel like DLing the trial to see CO's costume creator myself, knowing dead well I'll uninstall it right after. I love that Koi character too! And that Gothicka chick is HOT!!!

However, that Kitsune and Werewolf look *horrible*! It's just...so....pixelated?

eh, its not like furries are pvpers or something.

anyhow, yes, more beast pieces, screw the /b tards and give your rational customers some good customization options.

Yes!

I never felt more disappointed then when I first started CoH, and realized I could not make my Hell Hound character.

Pics snipped to avoid quote singularity.

I can certainly see what you mean about Champions, but every time I see pictures from it, I hope and pray: "Please, God, let that person have taken these pics at very low graphics settings!" But then I remember that's their chosen artistic style, and I just sigh. Seriously, the quest for "cartoony graphics" is starting to lead games down a dangerous path.

More to point, I don't actually think many of these heads actually qualify for what I was specifically aiming at here. They are all animal heads, true, but really none of them are in the slightest anthropomorphic. That is to say, they aren't capable of human emotions and expressions, and are only limited to what said animals can produce with their facial structure and musculature. Having owned multiple cats, for instance, I am well aware that they are both incapable of having very diverse facial expressions and not very likely to try to make them even when they are. Yes, ICanHasCheezburger has cats making "faces," but most of them are either yawning or involve eye states. A cat's eye typically has its pupil almost closed in the classic "cat's eye" slit and its lids closed down a fair way, but a startled can will open its eyes wide and widen its pupil. That's about as far as cat facial expressions go.

What I'm trying to say is that Champions Online does have a lot of animal faces, but they are on the same order of faces as we have with our Monstrous heads, e.i. they are not usable for humanoid characters. That's the real reason I was not able to export any of my animalistic City of Heroes characters, simply because Champions has no middle ground between human face and completely alien head, whereas City of Heroes still has the Feline face, as well as a Reptile and a Protoss face, which gives it a LOT of middle ground if you're creative enough.

Your fox and wolf character are very much the ones I like the most, and they use what is probably the most expressive head from your pics - the vaguely humanoid canine head. It reminds me a little of the wolves from Princess Mononoke, even though they weren't humanoid in the slightest.

In this regard, while I wouldn't be against pure animal heads, I actually want to see more humanoid animal anthropomorphic heads as that's largely missing from the creator.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

So? It's a sexist TV ad that replaces people with anthropomorphic animals, no different from all the Robot Chicken skits that place fantastic characters in mundane situations (read: This! Is! SCRUMPTIOUS! *kicks random waiter*). The only difference is that this is done in a sexual context, which I suppose offends some people's sensibilities, but again - this is a sexist ad mimicking other sexist ads of the same nature, with both its sexism and its sexapeal being grandfathered from the regular ad style it is spoofing. The only reason it's remarkable is because it's unusual.

Practically speaking, a deer doing a "Moulen Rouge" on a bear isn't any more weird than two cats flying a fighter jet, a mouse trying to save her children from a tracktor via a mystical bangle or a human making out with an alien girl who can't leave her suit. I don't think any of these should be obscure, either. The only thing making this ad any more weird than the above is the simple fact that sex tends to be a hot-button topic for some people, and I'm getting a little weary of trying to skirt around issues that are sexual in nature over the years. Especially since, unlike other issues, sexual issues are invoked by the mere POSSIBILITY that they might exist, rather than any reality that they actually exist.

Let me put it this way - having both men and women in the same game can, and often does (even more often intentionally) imply a possible, probably, and sometimes even actual sexual relationship. No-one bats an eye at this, despite the fact that certain comic books have slowly been turning into softcore pornography, and even our own City of Heroes comic book had a steamy (as in, with lots of strategically placed steam) bath tub scene with sister psyche. And few people care. But put in anthropomorphic animals in the game, and MY GOD! Prudes and bigots suddenly descend from the mountains in a great wave to ban this atrocity on the slim chance that it might possibly under certain circumstances kind of imply sexual interaction that CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO EXIST!

Let's stop with the prejudice, please. Merely adding costume pieces (wrongly) associated with questionable practices in no way, shape or form imply that these practices are being introduced into the game. "Anime" options put in did not spell City of Anime, bows in the game did not create City of Legolas/Green Arrow, trench coats did not create City of Neo, dual blades did not create City of Dizzle-or-however-you-spell-that... Why the triple F would someone jump to the conclusion that adding something vaguely anthropomorphic to the game will create City of Furries? Why, specifically, since the options have always been there for those who actually wanted to exploit them?

Let's stop being ridiculous, please.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Well, if you notice from the pics of actual characters I have played, I mostly use human faces with animal/bestial pieces because, yes, those generally provide more expression. However, I was gratified to find that I could do some minimal manipulation of facial features with the snake head, specifically, I was able to almost completely close the jaw for the dinosaur pic, only that last bit at the front wouldn't close.

And yes...I agree with your estimation of CO's chosen style of character...they look like they tried to copy WoW instead of come up with their own style. I did refer to it as "tails by Leifield"

Even more irritating, it has almost no relation at all to the art style used for almost two decades by HERO system games. I have real troubles connecting the CO universe with the characters in the Champions game that I've basically grown up with. (Champs was my very first RP that I actually owned)

No, but bigots cannot be convinced with words, so it wouldn't matter anyway.

I consider this something that needs to be said, and said a few times, as well, not so that the people who spread the hatred can read it - they're immune - but so that regular people who either don't know or just see this as weird could see it. As with any "acceptable target," making fun of this ad is an expression of a problem, the backlash of which is targeted in the wrong direction.

The hatred for this ad is unfounded. Yeah, it's weird, but it's no more weird than plenty of "accepted" things, like Ren and Stimpy or Twin Peaks. I don't see it, but it may even be disgusting to someone, but is that any more so than the various other sources of disgust on television, like Saw or Texas Chainsaw Massacre?

Personally, if I had my way, I'd ideally want us all to escape from our various hatreds for whatever subculture it may come down to and just all play along. Anime, furry, fantasy, sci-fi, four-colour comics, geeks, nerds, jocks... Why can't the game have something for everybody? For instance, I highly dislike the Freakshow because they are not a concept that appeals to my tastes and sensibilities, but other people like then. I wouldn't go around making fun of them because they enjoy body piercings, face paint and self-mutilation. Chances are, they don't, it's just a cool concept to fight against. Or play as.

City of Heroes has room enough for everybody.

Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

Honestly, I actually like the graphics in CO... I'm not at all saying they're better than CoX but from the gameplay videos I've seen the cartoonish look to them isn't as bad as some make it seem and I like the fact that they look kinda like an old school comic come to life. It's just a matter of personal preference, some seem to like a specific style so much that they refuse to recognize how good something else looks because it's not their thing.

I think a prime example outside of CoX and CO is WoW vs Warhammer because of the similar setting.

Both games look great (Warhammer admittedly better because it's newer) but most that love the look of one hate the look of the other. I think this is due to personal taste and I think some are biased by the game they prefer to play. Personally I preferred WoW but wished it looked more like Warhammer.

Indeed, you are able to get a good simple look going (despite my liking of the superhero concept, I tend to despise the flashy costumes and prefer to dress my characters in street clothes) my "main" (such as it is given my lack of playing in forever) is a pretty simple costume:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9QKsxYCdlY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBZip...eature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp923...eature=channel

The character, Heigou (black dog), essentially a tank.

The wolves she summons look rather freakish though...even aside from their ability to shape-shift (the last vid shows that, I happened to be Frapping at the time I discovered that facet)...and I'm not sure her current build is strong enough to pick up a car or not...oh well

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.