Blaster Secondaries - Plans for more
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2010-01-25 21:14 in Player Questions
No plans announced.
I'm guessing they might do an Earth or Thorns to mach the Dominator Assault sets.
But given the large number of primaries Blasters have (which will be increased with Dual Pistols in Going Rogues), Blasters are not near the bottom of primary + secondary choices. Get in line behind Masterminds and Dominators.
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I'd really like to see a Sonic secondary for Blasters. Obviously, they're not going to just port over Sonic Resonance, but it would be nice to see something to match Sonic Attack.
Radiation secondary seems doable, since the powers Shivans use are basically Peacebringer powers. And I still hold out hope for secondaries involving Martial Arts or Katanas.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
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I'm really hoping Blasters get something new between now and GR. There's nothing I really want to pair with Dual Pistols. 
Of course, I also want Masterminds to get something, too. I don't really like any of their secondaries, and I don't want to follow the lemmings and pair Demons with Dark/Thermal/Pain.
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My prediction is that the next new manipulation set will be Dark Manipulation. Dark Blast is the only blast set that Blasters don't have access to so they will probably get it next time the devs do powerset proliferation. Assuming that they decide to do a manipulation set at the same time doing Dark Manipulation would make sense.
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Well, Peacebringer powers are basically Energy Melee. Which is really the problem, I can see Rad Melee being too much like Energy Melee. Rad Blast and Energy Blast are different because Energy has a Smashing component while Rad doesn't. But Rad Melee would have to have a Smashing component if you're using Rad boosted punches.|
Originally Posted by Dispari
Radiation secondary seems doable, since the powers Shivans use are basically Peacebringer powers. And I still hold out hope for secondaries involving Martial Arts or Katanas.
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Actually, now that I think about it, this might be the place to have an Energy Sword. Make it a "Radiation Sword", and make it look like, well, a Light Saber. I've got a concept that could use it (although I'm not rerolling her for it) and others have mentioned it as well. I've always thought it a little strange that Fire and Ice had swords, but there's no Energy Sword. Or even, for that matter, a Lance or Axe. (Add a little variety)
In keeping with Rad Blast, it might also be a somewhat faster Set, something like Claws or Super Strength. The "punch with Radiation" attack could be a quick Jab.
Of course, I'm talking about a Melee Set, we're talking about Manipulation, but that's part of it. Sonic, too, there would have to be a Sonic Melee set. We need a Psionic Melee set, with some of the attacks from Mental Manipulation. And yeah, a Martial Arts or Weapon set for a Blaster Secondary, they already exist as Melee and MA could be combined with buffs similar to Energy Manipulation, only based on "chi".
The problem with a Broadsword or Katana Manipulation Set is, while it makes conceptual sense when combined with a bow, can you imagine what the redraw would be like? And of course, do you make swords, axes, maces, and all that different Power Sets, or do you try to define one set and use customization to let you pick your weapon? It will only be used for one or two attacks anyway, the rest would need to be more buff or control type powers.
Even my 9yo has asked me why there is no "Radiation Manipulation".
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I want illusion as a secondary for doms.
Kinetics for MM's.
Broadsword for brutes.
Ice secondary for brutes.
Want,want,want....
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Originally Posted by The_Larker
I want illusion as a secondary for doms.
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If Dominators get Illusion Control, it'll be a primary, just like it is for Controllers.
@Roderick
I'd be cool with sonic manipulation or radiation manipulation secondaries for blasters, but I'd hope they'd come up with something a little different than all the blaster secondary attacks we have now.
Like, instead of Sonic Punch, or Radiation Sword, how about Sonic Swipe, where you get a temporary sonic "claw", or Radiation Lance where instead of conjuring a sword and swinging it, you conjure a lance/spear and stab with it. I know this would require new animations, at least in the case of a spear/lance, but if they just changed the visual effect and damage type of Fire Manipulation and called it Radiation Manipulation, it would be neat for about 5 minutes and then it would feel like you were playing a /Fire blaster.
As for Radiation Melee being too much like Energy Melee, not really. Get rid of the smashing damage type and knockback effect and replace it with a debuff like the radiation primary.
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That's what I was saying. Look at every Melee attack in the game. Most of them have either Smashing or Lethal as part of the damage. The exception is primarily Fire Melee, and even it has Fire Sword, which is Fire/Lethal, and Cremate, which is Fire/Smashing. |
Originally Posted by mousedroid
Get rid of the smashing damage type
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Not to say that making Rad more like Fire Melee wouldn't be a bad idea. Just giving it an AoE, like Irradiate, for a Blaster, would certainly make it different from Energy, which doesn't have any AoEs.
And no, I don't mean EXACTLY like Fire Melee. Obviously, it would have -Def debuff and be somewhat faster than Fire. I was talking about the AoEs and utility powers, instead of just being primarily single target damage.
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Originally Posted by thgebull0425
Blaster secondaries are really thin, are there any plans that we have heard of that they will be doing something to balance that out.
For example, if I wanted a more something other than devices let's say to match with Archery or Assault Rifle. Something more natural, but something different than what devices offers or at least another to match, like thrown weapons or something like that. For Radiation and Sonic, they don't have a matching secondary power, which the other standard ones do, like fire, ice, nrg and so on. I know there have been many suggestions and threads, but really I guess what I am curious about is are there any plans to beef it up. |
Just fixing devices would be a nice start. (looks long and hard at time bomb/cloaking device/targeting drone/Gun Drone)
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ya devices could use some love but what's wrong with targeting drone and cloaking device?
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Originally Posted by Another_Fan
Just fixing devices would be a nice start. (looks long and hard at time bomb/cloaking device/targeting drone/Gun Drone)
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Originally Posted by Lucky666
ya devices could use some love but what's wrong with targeting drone and cloaking device?
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Cloaking device can be replaced by an IO that fits in either a travel power or sprint. So its something you can get for free in any set.
Targeting drone as far as I can see is meant to be a replacement for build up. Its just not comparable.
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I went over Devices before in a post. Pretty much the only power I wouldn't change in some sort of way is Caltrops. I just don't think the set does anything useful for the vast majority of situations.
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Originally Posted by Lucky666
ya devices could use some love but what's wrong with targeting drone and cloaking device?
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
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Blaster secondaries are really thin, are there any plans that we have heard of that they will be doing something to balance that out.
For example, if I wanted a more something other than devices let's say to match with Archery or Assault Rifle. Something more natural, but something different than what devices offers or at least another to match, like thrown weapons or something like that.
For Radiation and Sonic, they don't have a matching secondary power, which the other standard ones do, like fire, ice, nrg and so on.
I know there have been many suggestions and threads, but really I guess what I am curious about is are there any plans to beef it up.