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Originally Posted by EnD_Reitanna View Post
I love how, when i say anything about TA on one team and no TA on other, everyone yells at me, yet when Silit mentions it, everyone is agree...can you guys make sense plz?

I quit out because i am tired of "stacking" teams on KICKBALL.
We all knew Chris waited and joined match to get picked for team he wanted; we all know hot heals would quit, if team doesn't suit him;
justin/hot/silit/vert etc. would start about any drama just to get their team as they want it regardless how the teams were picked.
Should i even mention how some of them were picked for different teams yet they moved themself on last sec and we had Silit and co team vs randoms.
Also, no matter how you pick it usually ends up team on vent vs ppl-who-don't-know-what-vent-is.
And i am the biggest QQer here. I thought KB was about semi-random picked team vs about same team (to allow at least some balance), and not "set up" vs w/e left. But yeah, i am Frost Elf D, i am always wrong, and "cool kids" here know better.

Besides Divine, you are the one to talk. How many times did you quit in the middle of the match because it didn't run your way? At least i stay with team no matter if we are losing or not.
You really should finally shut up and stop pretending to be good by talking trash to me. You can't back it up so just stop.
WTF are you talking about...i never quit out. Hell, last night i did not load on my team and i just went rogue the whole 10 mins.


 

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WTF are you talking about...i never quit out. Hell, last night i did not load on my team and i just went rogue the whole 10 mins.
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I forgot to look at the final scores. I know we lost that match but did you get any kills and if you did were they counting for our team or does that bug make it where the person not on the team kills doesn't count for the teams? Did you die any and I wonder if those deaths counted for their wins?


 

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I forgot to look at the final scores. I know we lost that match but did you get any kills and if you did were they counting for our team or does that bug make it where the person not on the team kills doesn't count for the teams? Did you die any and I wonder if those deaths counted for their wins?
Na i never got a kill. I just attacked Exit and Mage the whole time lol. Came damn close to killing exit but he got healed. I got killed but im not sure if they counted toward the other team's kill count.


 

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Unless something has changed code-wise, defeats should still count for/against the side you were on within the setup terminal.

Emping whenever that happened was always a challenge, but as long as your team isn't getting wrecked and isn't spread out on a large map, it's not impossible. Buff cycles aren't difficult to remember-fort/cm/ab timers start running in the back of your mind after you emp enough. Being ready to heal a teammate that just got debuffed isn't always easy without a vocal que; otherwise, you can try watching overhead health bars.


 

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Originally Posted by EnD_Reitanna View Post
I love how, when i say anything about TA on one team and no TA on other, everyone yells at me, yet when Silit mentions it, everyone is agree...can you guys make sense plz?

I quit out because i am tired of "stacking" teams on KICKBALL.
We all knew Chris waited and joined match to get picked for team he wanted; we all know hot heals would quit, if team doesn't suit him;
justin/hot/silit/vert etc. would start about any drama just to get their team as they want it regardless how the teams were picked.
Should i even mention how some of them were picked for different teams yet they moved themself on last sec and we had Silit and co team vs randoms.
Also, no matter how you pick it usually ends up team on vent vs ppl-who-don't-know-what-vent-is.
And i am the biggest QQer here. I thought KB was about semi-random picked team vs about same team (to allow at least some balance), and not "set up" vs w/e left. But yeah, i am Frost Elf D, i am always wrong, and "cool kids" here know better.

Besides Divine, you are the one to talk. How many times did you quit in the middle of the match because it didn't run your way? At least i stay with team no matter if we are losing or not.
You really should finally shut up and stop pretending to be good by talking trash to me. You can't back it up so just stop.
I hope you are kidding. I've always vouched for even teams, and called people out for stacking/quitting (yourself included). I've also stayed in every match, regardless of how it went for my team.

Last night we "made even teams" rather than picking in a KB format. For the most part it worked pretty well. A few people who hated KBs even showed up.


 

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Originally Posted by EnD_Reitanna View Post
I love how, when i say anything about TA on one team and no TA on other, everyone yells at me, yet when Silit mentions it, everyone is agree...can you guys make sense plz?

I quit out because i am tired of "stacking" teams on KICKBALL.
We all knew Chris waited and joined match to get picked for team he wanted; we all know hot heals would quit, if team doesn't suit him;
justin/hot/silit/vert etc. would start about any drama just to get their team as they want it regardless how the teams were picked.
Should i even mention how some of them were picked for different teams yet they moved themself on last sec and we had Silit and co team vs randoms.
Also, no matter how you pick it usually ends up team on vent vs ppl-who-don't-know-what-vent-is.
And i am the biggest QQer here. I thought KB was about semi-random picked team vs about same team (to allow at least some balance), and not "set up" vs w/e left. But yeah, i am Frost Elf D, i am always wrong, and "cool kids" here know better.

Besides Divine, you are the one to talk. How many times did you quit in the middle of the match because it didn't run your way? At least i stay with team no matter if we are losing or not.
You really should finally shut up and stop pretending to be good by talking trash to me. You can't back it up so just stop.
Next time you want to put your fingers on the keyboard to type Rei, go put them in a blender. :P

Haha, jokes aside. The recent KB's on Freedom have had their ups and downs, but IT IS NOT because 3 people are stacking teams. Its because its a kickball and people want to play whatever they feel like playing that day. So its hard/rare to get the same amount of people wanting to play emps/TA/Colds at the same time. And then you have to factor in Skill of the players playing what they are playing. Kickballs are meant to draw people into PvP and do so in the best and most fun fashion possible, when ppl REIGE and QQ out of events it just makes us look bad.

My goal everytime I run a Kickball is to make them as fast as possible and make sure everyone has fun. Most of the Kickballs I've ran i would call sucesses with the exception of 1 maybe 2 where it was basically a match of good disruption vs terribad disruption.

SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HELP ANYTHING IS REIGING OUT OF MATCHES THO

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I think the biggest thing we need to do is a last call for kickball and then set it to invite only and not invite anyone unless its going to fit in with the balance we already have. Stop letting people change their picks just because someone new comes in the match. Also stop letting the people who consistantly try to stack their teams have any say over them. Ohh yeah and stop with the whole " I gotta be on my bfff's, buddy's or whatever's team" stuff happen too. In all out reality nothing will unbalance a random kickball more than having one team having a bunch of people on it that consistantly pvp together.
I Do this every time I host a kickball. Should be standard if you ask me


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I wouldn't really call most of the team ups stacked, its pretty random match ups as far as things go, and most people are just playing what they want too. I don't know how it is for some, but I've been on good teams where it was an easy win, bad teams where there was no real chance and even had matches where it was down to the last few seconds or even going into sudden death. That to me says they can't be that stacked all the time.

In the 5 v 5's last night, as a stalker in two of the three matches I ended up pretty much shut down, first by a Grav/TA and the pain that is acid arrow, and in the third by a VEAT keeping me out of hide for most of the match. There wasn't much chance to win those two matches with only one other damage dealer, but it happens, where the other team happens to have your Kryptonite. The match we did end up winning, the other team had a cold, but our therm ran thaw so the emp was able to keep up. Just the way it goes.

Most of all its KB, I don't think anyone really goes into them expecting to see an exactly even match up between the two teams. Most times you do what you can except when a bad captain picks a bad team.


 

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Can I just ask why wasn't I allowed on the KB's?


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Can I just ask why wasn't I allowed on the KB's?
If you mean last night, they werent KBs. If you mean someother night, i have no idea.


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Can I just ask why wasn't I allowed on the KB's?
you have good chances to become frost elf d nr. 2...


 

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I did a Guardian pvp league last year and we had 9 teams sign up,but it didn't work out too well because the league should have been able to be run by the participants with out me being there, but most of the teams that were new to this had no idea what to do.
Im sure a league on freedom would work and i wont have time to participate in it, but good luck.


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Can I just ask why wasn't I allowed on the KB's?
Sadly a kb can only hold 16 people and we need even teams. So if there are more than 16 people or an odd number some one gets left behind. Even the very best pvpr's have experienced being the fat kid in one match or another.

On another note ANYONE who quits out of a match because the team isn't in their favor or because someone is on the team they don't want to team with is a tard. That goes right along with the mentality that you wont fight anyone or any build that you can't beat.


 

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I used to host kickballs several times a week on Infinity, and this sort of thing came up a few times. I feel this way: if you're willing to jump in the pool of picks when you aren't a captain, then you should be willing to stick with the team you're dealt, even if you know it means certain defeat.

Maybe it's obvious to most of the participants what the outcome of a given match is going to be (based on picks), but there's usually someone present that needs to learn. And learning is a big part of kickball. Just try to use that as an opportunity to show someone why the loss was inevitable. If you don't feel like teaching/explaining, then I say just don't kickball...or step up and demand to be a captain and stop complaining.

Also, maybe you can use a "no-win" opportunity to practice. I actually found impossible situations helpful sometimes because they helped remind me of my limitations and still helped to improve my reaction times. As long as you explain to newer players that you're likely going to lose because of X or Y before the match starts, you'll have a lot fewer attitude problems while your team takes a beating.


 

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That goes right along with the mentality that you wont fight anyone or any build that you can't beat.
Hmmm....I thought that was the whole idea behind 1v1 fights in CoH.


 

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Sadly a kb can only hold 16 people and we need even teams. So if there are more than 16 people or an odd number some one gets left behind. Even the very best pvpr's have experienced being the fat kid in one match or another.

On another note ANYONE who quits out of a match because the team isn't in their favor or because someone is on the team they don't want to team with is a tard. That goes right along with the mentality that you wont fight anyone or any build that you can't beat.
So....what you're saying is that anyone who quits out of a match early is a fiteclubber?



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So....what you're saying is that anyone who quits out of a match early is a fiteclubber?



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Pretty much so.


 

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back on point...I would say gl with a league but a partial roster partial draft sound sketch at best...Just to play devils advocate...suppose you get 10 man teams 5v5 6 weeks of matches and it's 5 roster, 5 draft? Even if you do everyone plays you can (and you know people will) do roster/picks/roster to win.

Plus what is to stop anyone from stacking? say I register with 5 people roster then get 4 or more to sign up as picks...even If I am late in the first round I am going to end up with a team of 6-8 people I know who can pvp...

I would say you have to go captains and full draft...


 

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back on point...I would say gl with a league but a partial roster partial draft sound sketch at best...Just to play devils advocate...suppose you get 10 man teams 5v5 6 weeks of matches and it's 5 roster, 5 draft? Even if you do everyone plays you can (and you know people will) do roster/picks/roster to win.

Plus what is to stop anyone from stacking? say I register with 5 people roster then get 4 or more to sign up as picks...even If I am late in the first round I am going to end up with a team of 6-8 people I know who can pvp...

I would say you have to go captains and full draft...
I know plenty of people who despise the idea of a full draft, I'm not much for it either. We've worked out a pretty solid looking ruleset so far. I think the partial draft will work.


 

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back on point...I would say gl with a league but a partial roster partial draft sound sketch at best...Just to play devils advocate...suppose you get 10 man teams 5v5 6 weeks of matches and it's 5 roster, 5 draft? Even if you do everyone plays you can (and you know people will) do roster/picks/roster to win.

Plus what is to stop anyone from stacking? say I register with 5 people roster then get 4 or more to sign up as picks...even If I am late in the first round I am going to end up with a team of 6-8 people I know who can pvp...

I would say you have to go captains and full draft...
No matter what format or how strict rules are people are always going to find a way to manipulate the system to be in their favor.

We spent HOURS last night working through what we believe to be our final draft for this league idea. I believe Peril is working on the artwork and it will be posted before you know it. I think that the people that want a ladder and the people that want a draft will be pretty happy with what the finished product is going to be. Silit, Peril and Sneaky used some pretty good creativity that is for sure. :-)