I really don't like price caps

300_below · 12-27-2009 05:10 PM

All I know is that I mostly pvp. I only pve to make toons to pvp with. after hours upon hours of pvp since they came out I have only gotten 2 of them and none since they made them based on rep. me and 5 to 6 guys in my sg pvp almost nightly picking up loners occasionally to fill the team. in my group we have received a total of 4 pvp recipees since they nerfed the drops. The pvp recipees just seem to be really really hard to get and I feel as though it needs to be looked at.

Fury Flechette · 12-27-2009 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodion

Instead of complaining about how the system won't let you bid enough on the things that no one is producing, how about you go out and produce those things? You can bid the sun, the stars and the moon, but if no one is producing them there won't be any to be had.

Haha. Even the PvPers will admit that even after PvPing for weeks on end, they have may get a handful of drops. Nice try though.

On a more personal note, I used to be a fairly avid PvPer. I have stepped into post i12 PvP four times since the last batch of changes, grew disgusted and never went back. Many in the PvP community outright quit. And this isn't because I'm unable to adapt to the changes. I have the resources and know how to make a good PvP character based on the new rules; however, I (like many others) immensely dislike the new rules.

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On the technical side: there is probably a limitation in the database that prevents bids greater than 2,147,483,647. If the price is stored as a signed two's-complement 32-bit integer, 2,147,483,647 (2 to the 31st power minus 1) is the largest possible integer that can be stored. It's not some arbitrary cap, it's a limitation of the numeric format. They may be limiting it to two billion to avoid the really silly looking value above.

If the price is stored an unsigned integer that maximum possible value would be twice that, or slightly more than four billion.

The only way the limitation can be removed is to store the data in a bigger field, which has to be some quad-size integer (64 bits) or some other format used to store very large amounts of money.

But it's more complicated than that, because everywhere throughout the code where influence is referenced, changes have to be made to ensure that the new data type is properly handled. That probably means hundreds of changes in the client, on the server, and on the market server. Most programming languages don't have intrinsic data types that manipulate such large numbers (you want to avoid floating point values because of roundoff errors -- you should use some kind of integer value when manipulating money and similar things because people just don't like their money disappearing just because you multiplied or divided).

In short, removing this limitation would probably be a large, time-consuming, costly and potentially error-prone task.

I love player based conjecture based on never looking at the code. I'll give you a virtual cookie for your effort and a pat on the head.

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Anyway, if the lure of two-billion a pop PvP recipes isn't enticing people to find them, it seems unlikely that four or six billion would be any more motivating.

Disagree. At certain prices, people may be motivated enough to respec out the IO and put them back on the market.

Catwhoorg · 12-27-2009 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fury Flechette

I love player based conjecture based on never looking at the code. I'll give you a virtual cookie for your effort and a pat on the head.

Its actually based on the waaaaay back machine when inf would roll over the 2 billion and change to a negative amount.

Someone forgot an error check

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Fury Flechette · 12-28-2009 02:22 AM

Well the quest is over for me. My bid came through! My thanks goes out to that PvPer or that farmer who put this on the market. You've made my CoH holiday season.

Canis_Lupus · 12-30-2009 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Catwhoorg

Its actually based on the waaaaay back machine when inf would roll over the 2 billion and change to a negative amount.

Someone forgot an error check

Not to mention being based on a basic understanding of limitations in programming....

dave_p · 01-04-2010 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Canis_Lupus

Not to mention being based on a basic understanding of limitations in programming....

Just remember, there are only 10 kinds of ppl in the world. Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Fury sez:

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Haha, I got neg repped for posting this. Apparently, there are some folks out there that think this is a backwards way of bragging about my wealth. If I was out to brag, I'd have moved alot more influence onto this toon and really make it look impressive. Yes, I have substantially more on other characters.

Do eet! Show us your wealth!

An Offensive Guide to Ice Melee

Fury Flechette · 01-04-2010 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dave_p

Fury sez:

Do eet! Show us your wealth!

Might be more trouble than it's worth. I have a few influence capped characters so I'd have to arrange to influence transfer to one and then screen cap. I readily recognize that I'm not close to being among the wealthiest. I also spend like a debutante with her daddy's no limit credit card. Along with that 3% PvP IO, I also picked up a Panacea proc and a Panacea heal, which set me back another 2.5B. That's 4.5B influence gone.

Here's a #9 a la Catwhoorg of what all that influence went towards:

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.601
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Click this DataLink to open the build!
Flame Fencer Revised v3: Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Blaze Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Fire Sword -- T'Death-Dam%:40(A), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(19), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg:40(21), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx:40(21), T'Death-Acc/Dmg:40(31), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(31)
Level 1: Deflection -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(3), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(3), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(17), GA-3defTpProc:50(50)
Level 2: Battle Agility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(7), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(7), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(13)
Level 4: True Grit -- Numna-Heal:50(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx:50(5), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(5), RgnTis-Regen+:30(13), Panac-Heal:50(17), Panac-Heal/+End:50(40)
Level 6: Cremate -- C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(A), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(9), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(9), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg:50(11), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx:50(19)
Level 8: Swift -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 10: Active Defense -- HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(11)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- Zephyr-Travel:50(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:50(27), Zephyr-ResKB:50(36), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(37), Ksmt-ToHit+:30(43)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel:50(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:50(15), Zephyr-ResKB:50(15)
Level 16: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(A), Mrcl-Heal:40(37)
Level 18: Fire Sword Circle -- Armgdn-Dam%:50(A), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg:50(34), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx:50(40), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(43), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg:50(46)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%:50(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg:50(23), P'Shift-EndMod:50(23), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc:50(34)
Level 22: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I:50(A)
Level 24: Build Up -- GSFC-ToHit:50(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg:50(25), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx:50(25), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx:50(33), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx:50(34), GSFC-Build%:50(40)
Level 26: Incinerate -- Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg:50(A), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(27), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg:50(29), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx:50(29), Hectmb-Dam%:50(31)
Level 28: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(33), RechRdx-I:50(33)
Level 30: Boxing -- Acc-I:50(A)
Level 32: Tough -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:50(A), Aegis-ResDam:50(43), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(46)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- Oblit-%Dam:50(A), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(36), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(36), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(37), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(39), Oblit-Dmg:50(50)
Level 38: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(39), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(39)
Level 41: Char -- BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold:30(A), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold:30(42), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg:30(42), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold:30(42)
Level 44: Fire Blast -- Apoc-Dam%:50(A), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx:50(45), Apoc-Acc/Rchg:50(45), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(45), Apoc-Dmg/Rchg:50(46)
Level 47: Fire Ball -- Ragnrk-Knock%:50(A), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg:50(48), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(48), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg:50(48), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx:50(50)
Level 49: Phalanx Fighting -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- HO:Micro(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit

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Fury Flechette · 01-04-2010 03:07 PM

BTW, there's folks that are now willing to pay 3B for one of these:

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=204503

I suspect some of the higher end IOs may go via direct player sales eventually, especially during this time of free server transfers.

SimonSayz · 01-04-2010 11:00 PM

Your build is extremely similar to mine, except that I have an Elec/Shield. I thought about putting the Panacea unique in my scrapper, but I didn't feel like spending that much for (what I thought was) a minor improvement to my end recovery. My end gets a little low if I'm fighting EBs or something, but that's why they have CaBs in the game.

If it turns out that after getting the accolades on it that the end recovery is a little less than where I want it, I may get it later on. For right now though, groups usually only last a few seconds, so it's alright.

Here it is if you're interested.

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mercykilling · 01-05-2010 11:43 AM

*bonks Fury onna da head and steals the inf*

DumpleBerry · 01-07-2010 02:16 PM

This will be about the fourth place I've said it, but I really can't let ~4B walk past me. I'm going to have to at least make an effort to drum some of these up.

Just doing my part to increase supply!

There are no words for what this community, and the friends I have made here mean to me. Please know that I care for all of you, yes, even you. If you Twitter, I'm MrThan. If you're Unleashed, I'm dumps. I'll try and get registered on the Titan Forums as well. Peace, and thanks for the best nine years anyone could ever ask for.

Mercury_Down · 01-07-2010 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodion

Instead of complaining about how the system won't let you bid enough on the things that no one is producing, how about you go out and produce those things? You can bid the sun, the stars and the moon, but if no one is producing them there won't be any to be had.

That's only part of the problem.

A big part of why you don't see them listed is people know they can get more than 2 billion for them so they "/broadcast " forum post or channel auction the IO and sell it that way.

Which is precisely why sales capping won't work. All it will do is lead to manual auctions popping up in various channels. That's originally how trading used to be done back in the early days of EverQuest and other MMOs.

graystar_blaster · 01-08-2010 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fury Flechette

Might be more trouble than it's worth. I have a few influence capped characters so I'd have to arrange to influence transfer to one and then screen cap. I readily recognize that I'm not close to being among the wealthiest. I also spend like a debutante with her daddy's no limit credit card. Along with that 3% PvP IO, I also picked up a Panacea proc and a Panacea heal, which set me back another 2.5B. That's 4.5B influence gone.

Here's a #9 a la Catwhoorg of what all that influence went towards:

Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.601
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Click this DataLink to open the build!
Flame Fencer Revised v3: Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Secondary Power Set: Shield Defense
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Blaze Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Fire Sword -- T'Death-Dam%:40(A), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(19), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg:40(21), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx:40(21), T'Death-Acc/Dmg:40(31), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(31)
Level 1: Deflection -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(3), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(3), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(17), GA-3defTpProc:50(50)
Level 2: Battle Agility -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(7), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(7), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(13)
Level 4: True Grit -- Numna-Heal:50(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx:50(5), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(5), RgnTis-Regen+:30(13), Panac-Heal:50(17), Panac-Heal/+End:50(40)
Level 6: Cremate -- C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(A), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(9), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(9), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg:50(11), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx:50(19)
Level 8: Swift -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 10: Active Defense -- HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(11)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- Zephyr-Travel:50(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:50(27), Zephyr-ResKB:50(36), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(37), Ksmt-ToHit+:30(43)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel:50(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:50(15), Zephyr-ResKB:50(15)
Level 16: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(A), Mrcl-Heal:40(37)
Level 18: Fire Sword Circle -- Armgdn-Dam%:50(A), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg:50(34), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx:50(40), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(43), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg:50(46)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-End%:50(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg:50(23), P'Shift-EndMod:50(23), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc:50(34)
Level 22: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I:50(A)
Level 24: Build Up -- GSFC-ToHit:50(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg:50(25), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx:50(25), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx:50(33), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx:50(34), GSFC-Build%:50(40)
Level 26: Incinerate -- Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg:50(A), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(27), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg:50(29), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx:50(29), Hectmb-Dam%:50(31)
Level 28: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(33), RechRdx-I:50(33)
Level 30: Boxing -- Acc-I:50(A)
Level 32: Tough -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:50(A), Aegis-ResDam:50(43), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(46)
Level 35: Shield Charge -- Oblit-%Dam:50(A), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(36), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(36), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(37), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(39), Oblit-Dmg:50(50)
Level 38: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(39), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(39)
Level 41: Char -- BasGaze-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold:30(A), BasGaze-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold:30(42), BasGaze-Acc/Rchg:30(42), BasGaze-Rchg/Hold:30(42)
Level 44: Fire Blast -- Apoc-Dam%:50(A), Apoc-Dmg/EndRdx:50(45), Apoc-Acc/Rchg:50(45), Apoc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(45), Apoc-Dmg/Rchg:50(46)
Level 47: Fire Ball -- Ragnrk-Knock%:50(A), Ragnrk-Acc/Rchg:50(48), Ragnrk-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(48), Ragnrk-Dmg/Rchg:50(48), Ragnrk-Dmg/EndRdx:50(50)
Level 49: Phalanx Fighting -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- HO:Micro(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit

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just thought id say nice build im going very similar to this route in a day or two once fifty only a farm or two more to go