So, what's the Question? I only ask because of where you posted it... unless you are another of the "nobody lissens to meeee in S&I so I will post where people read the posts and answer meeee." In which case, forget I said anything.
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Think about it, my question is obvious......"Whats your opinion". People posts things in here like I just did to get others opinions. I thought it was self explanitory, but I guess I had to make it clear.
And take a look as the bases section of the forum before you claim nobody uses them any more.
You may not, but many people get a great deal of enjoyment and utility out of them.
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Noone really uses the bases anymore.
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I use it for transportation.
I use it for storage.
I use it for crafting.
I use it if I get defeated to pick up inspirations.
I can turn it around and say I don't use Ouro because of my base - which has no level limit to get into, and lets me get to more locations than Ouroboros does. I can start Ouro missions from the crystal inside my base. And for me - it's more true than your "nobody uses bases."
As MB states, my bases are used for quick travel between zones and salvage/enhancement storage.
The statement "no one really uses the bases anymore" is false. Pretty dumb, too.
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My opinion? Okay. They are fine, great, dandy. Nice for storage, nice for creativity, empowerment buffs, and travel. To be honest I dont generally use Ouroboros much for travel outside of the occasional TF/SF, but even then I know my way around the game sufficiently, and when I need to I will use my Base more often than not.
Of course, in my VG Base, I allow everyone (so far) to edit the Base under certain restrictions, and they can have an Apartment of their own with Storage units on a per person basis (some have multiple accounts). I know that I am different, and we arent a huge VG, but it works.
Bases are fine, and they could be better, and probably will be... in time.
Thanks for the clarification.
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LOL! I see why you are "red". Whilst you are entirely entitled to your opinion, it is meerly that. And had you "thought before you typed" you would have said, "Well, I don't really use them, but since I have nothing really to add to them (at least not in this flame bait post), I guess I'll just be quiet."
I dunno. That might take an "above 5th grade" education, and I have no idea what your education level is. Have a great day.
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Originally Posted by Bill Z Bubba
As MB states, my bases are used for quick travel between zones and salvage/enhancement storage.
The statement "no one really uses the bases anymore" is false. Pretty dumb, too. Had you done so, this thread wouldn't exist. |
Had you read the previous post, your post wouldn't exist.
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The above is my situation. i stock the base inspiration bins with EoE's for use in raids and occasionally use empowerment stations (which only exist in bases) in addition to what Bill posted.|
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Really?
I use it for transportation. I use it for storage. I use it for crafting. I use it if I get defeated to pick up inspirations. I can turn it around and say I don't use Ouro because of my base - which has no level limit to get into, and lets me get to more locations than Ouroboros does. I can start Ouro missions from the crystal inside my base. And for me - it's more true than your "nobody uses bases." |
Since i run a fair amount of blueside content there's a lot of places that Ouroboros won't take my alts that are high enough to even have access to the zone.
Base raiding was always at most an occasional diversion and never the focus of base usage. The base gives access to many convenient facilities in one place, including some that can't be found anywhere else. Finding a bunch of players on Freedom that think bases are useless is hardly compelling evidence. Freedom has a high enough population that you could probably find a bunch of players that all think the internet is a series of tubes, and that clicking on glowies in the missions of the hero respec trial makes more enemies spawn in the final room. (Which would be awesome even if it makes no sense from a mission design perspective, but unfortunately doesn't happen. Most of the teams i'm on would make a point of clicking every single glowy in the trial if it did.)
i would request that in the future the OP actually ask a question if they have one instead of insisting that the question's nature is implied by its absence. At least rhetorical questions are questions, even if the poster gets all huffy when it's actually answered.
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Let's see, (on blueside):
My base: Transit to 22 zones
Ouroboros: Transit to 5 zones
Clearly Ouroboros is superior in those regards.
My base: Vault, Storage bins, enhancement bins, inspiration bins, crafting table, and empowerment station.
Ouroboros: Mender Roebuck
Clearly Ouroboros is superior in those regards.
My base: Accessible by any SG/Coalition/Team member regardless of rank.
Ouroboros: Accessible by anyone regardless to SG/Coalition/Team status, as long as your character is at least level 25.
Clearly Ouroboros is superior in those regards.
Is see your point, I should just go ahead and sell off everything, boot all my SG members and then exit my own SG, thereby dissolving it completely. I'm sure none of them will mind, after all, the base never gets used…
As far as base raids are concerned, couldn't care less. If they re-implement it, which PvP groups will rejoice over, then good for them. (As long as exempt my own base from participating.)
The people you have spoken to are the ones who give Freedum its reputation.
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Wow! That was awesome. I usually tell people not to use sarcasm on message boards, because it often doens't come out, but that was just.... wow. A textbook example of written sarcasm I would say. Very nice.
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Let's see, (on blueside):
My base: Transit to 22 zones Ouroboros: Transit to 5 zones Clearly Ouroboros is superior in those regards. My base: Vault, Storage bins, enhancement bins, inspiration bins, crafting table, and empowerment station. Ouroboros: Mender Roebuck Clearly Ouroboros is superior in those regards. My base: Accessible by any SG/Coalition/Team member regardless of rank. Ouroboros: Accessible by anyone regardless to SG/Coalition/Team status, as long as your character is at least level 25. Clearly Ouroboros is superior in those regards. Is see your point, I should just go ahead and sell off everything, boot all my SG members and then exit my own SG, thereby dissolving it completely. I'm sure none of them will mind, after all, the base never gets used As far as base raids are concerned, couldn't care less. If they re-implement it, which PvP groups will rejoice over, then good for them. (As long as exempt my own base from participating.) |
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Leblanc, It's the idiots out there that try to flame a post which makes posting opinions on the boards a bad idea. This is a forum, a place to voice your opinions and find out what others think about the topic. That is what the boards are for, information and conversation. But if someone has an opinion that is different than others, or a question that is unknown to the original poster but someone thinks it's so easy....thats when the flame starts instead of people just posting with common sense and civility.
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While i appreciate your concern for the appearance of educational deficiency and the lack of thought and consideration that you fear my posting opinions that disagree with your own may impart to myself, i would humbly suggest that perhaps you should look to your own posts to make sure they are exemplars of the virtues you are espousing before leveling such charges at the rest of us. It's not even the "pot calling the kettle black" so much as it is the "charred and stained pot calling the gleaming set of stainless cookware rusted away to nothing".
Until such time as you are willing to apply the same lofty standards to yourself that you insist on holding everyone else to i must say to you, "Good day, sir!"
Your most humble and solicitous peer,
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Most of what you got, MLEdelen, is rebuttal to your opinion with some sarcasm thrown in for good measure since you got nastily reactionary. Your point was taken and opinion weighed, found wanting, rebutted with valid rebuttals. Not as much flame; just some heat.
Plus, what Agge said.
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On the surface I agree with you here. However your OP starts out with a statement that is, in and of itself, patently ridiculous. Perhaps if you had opened a different way, folks might not have had the reaction they did. Just my opinion however.
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Originally Posted by MLEdelen
Leblanc, It's the idiots out there that try to flame a post which makes posting opinions on the boards a bad idea. This is a forum, a place to voice your opinions and find out what others think about the topic. That is what the boards are for, information and conversation. But if someone has an opinion that is different than others, or a question that is unknown to the original poster but someone thinks it's so easy....thats when the flame starts instead of people just posting with common sense and civility.
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Wow! That was awesome. I usually tell people not to use sarcasm on message boards, because it often doens't come out, but that was just.... wow. A textbook example of written sarcasm I would say. Very nice.
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Leblanc, It's the idiots out there that try to flame a post which makes posting opinions on the boards a bad idea. This is a forum, a place to voice your opinions and find out what others think about the topic. That is what the boards are for, information and conversation. But if someone has an opinion that is different than others, or a question that is unknown to the original poster but someone thinks it's so easy....thats when the flame starts instead of people just posting with common sense and civility.
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Oh, and had you put this statement first: "I've asked alot of people on the freedom server " none of these posts would exist.
Flaming? Not so much.
"Flames" tend to start when the OP ignores the general purpose of a specific forum to seek validation of his/her personally-held opinion.
Did you read what the purpose of this forum was?
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The second part of the description is most important as to why you have gotten negative responses - you aren't looking for "information". You are looking for "opinion", as you clearly stated:| Player Questions Got a Question? Get an answer! Players helping players find information related to CoH/CoV. |
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You also put something into your OP which looked an awful lot like a "Suggestion" - to radically change how Ouroborus portals worked.
So forgive our confusion over whether you were actually looking for information - which you weren't.
And also - your limited sampling based on those you spoke with on Freedom aren't even close to a valid statistical sampling. So what if those you talked to on a single server, based on the people you routinely interact with have such a narrow view of the purpose of bases. Several people have come into this thread and said they have other uses besides teleporting.
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You have got to be kidding here, the CoX boards are, by a HUGE margin, the least flame-prone I have ever seen. You posted a fairly poorly thought out statement to the effect that "bases are useless" and you received several calm, rational rebuttals to your statement. At this point you decided to start hurling insults, such as:|
Originally Posted by MLEdelen
Leblanc, It's the idiots out there that try to flame a post which makes posting opinions on the boards a bad idea. This is a forum, a place to voice your opinions and find out what others think about the topic. That is what the boards are for, information and conversation. But if someone has an opinion that is different than others, or a question that is unknown to the original poster but someone thinks it's so easy....thats when the flame starts instead of people just posting with common sense and civility.
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So, someone who has a......well.....higher than a 5th grader intellect would be able to conclude that when I said, noone uses them, that I mean out of the people I've spoken to. But once again, it's really my fault for not clarifing it for you. ...OPPS my bad. Guys, if your gonna bash someone, try to not make yourselves look like the moron. Think before you type. |
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| Dude, read what I wrote just above your post. If you had...you would realize that....(again having to make myself even clearer for the stupid people)....OUT OF THE PEOPLE I HAVE SPOKEN TO noone really uses the bases anymore... |
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Oh, and had you put this statement first: "I've asked alot of people on the freedom server…" none of these posts would exist.
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The logical course of action if the OP's assertion (my bad, 'question') is true (true probably being the wrong term to use if it is a question, bit of a puzzler there i admit) would be to dissolve all SG's and rely solely on global channels for contact. Obviously then, everyone the OP has spoken to is not a member of an SG, and neither is the OP. With bases being useless and global channels being available in private and public flavors there is no reason to ever join an SG. So, has the OP and everyone it knows dropped all affiliations with any SG?
That is the logical thing to do if you have no use for bases. There is no other function provided by SG's that isn't equaled or better filled by other game features.
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Obviously this is the wrong forum for the OP to have posted this in, since he himself says he just wants to share his opinion and discuss the matter but has not question requiring an answer. The matter of posting in the wrong area aside, however, I'd say calling bases outmoded or useless is pretty extreme. Is the travel shortcut aspect of bases/telepads less useful in the context of Ouroboros, Mission Teleport, etc? Sure, but that doesn't mean it's useless. In fact, for players trying to get Flashback badges using the "Only AT Powers" or "No Travel Powers" challenges, base teleportation is a giant advantage as it is the only thing not blocked.
And this doesn't even get into the many other things a base offers: a creative outlet that a group can be proud of, a meeting place for a group that convenently connects to many zones (assuming telepads), a storage depot for salvage, enhancements and inspirations, and a crafting station for IOs and temporary buffs. Bases do a lot. As for making something else less convenient (i.e. the suggestion for Ouroboros) just to make people value base teleportation more, I'd say that's ridiculous and unnecessary. It's needless nerfing. Big thumbs down to that notion.
There are plenty of uses for bases right now - while the teleport option may not be as prized as it once was now that we have so many options for getting around and while it's a given that base raids are a long way off if they ever see the light of day, that doesn't mean that what bases do now isn't valuable. Just because some people talking in broadcast don't happen to use them much doesn't mean the rest of us don't use them a great deal.
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Noone really uses the bases anymore. Aww it's good and fun to see if you can make the best and most clever base you can....but ultimatly it's useless. You can't do base raids, the TP's in the base is rather outdated since you can get everyone with ourobus, wentworth tp, mission tp, and trains. Really, why have tp'er in a base when everyone uses Ourobus to TP where they need to go most of the time. I've asked alot of people on the freedom server, and they all say there is really no need to have a base.
That is my opinion and I know some might disagree, but really.... If they want the bases to be used more...I have an idea. Why not make the portal in ourobus...instead of giving you a choice of zones to go to.....just make it take you back to the zone you were just in last. If you remove the capability to use ourobus as a TP hub, they would have to use the base tp'ers again...and it might get peoples interest back into the bases more.