I need help with PVP on a budget

Likewise, I'm sure...

In other words, while I understand the degradation that PvP 2.0 is to the
"skill" levels that used to be involved, I also come back to a few other
points.

1> If any particular build was grossly OP, that is all you would see being
rolled. Certainly, some builds are better than others (R-P-S again), but
that's not the same thing by a wide margin.

2> With equally skilled players and the same build, the 1 Billion one out-performs
the 10 Million one. Once again, that's not the same as saying a 10 Million
build cannot be used effectively, or provide a satisfactory experience.

3> Your commentary, while valid from certain perspectives, has absolutely
no practical benefit to the OP or the original point of his post. So, at
worst, it's just trolling for the sake of stirring the pot, and at best, it's
largely meaningless and unhelpful in the context of the original topic...

4> PvP 2.0 is what we currently have - like it or don't. In addressing
OP's request,
I'm pretty sure that the builds you're identifying as so OP that skill no longer
even matters at all, are also builds that go way beyond any sensible definition
of "reasonable budget" most folks would have.

5> Finally, even given point #4, the OP, were he so-inclined could build one
of those as well. Of course, maybe that's the core issue... Your point seems
to be "Build one of these" and then PvP doesn't matter...

So, why are you here, again???

I'm seeing the OP as a potential beginning PvP'er. Some advice that might
help him become interested is surely more helpful.

I don't need a $1,000 tennis racket (like Federer probably has) to bat a
ball around on a tennis court and maybe even win a few games. If I want
to be a "Pro tennis" player, then there's a lot more that's required, in addition
to that expensive racket to make the grade.

By the same token, I don't need 40+ pts of KB protection, or Accolades or
whatever to participate, and enjoy some measures of effectiveness in PvP.

If he wants to be an Upper Tier PvP'er, then maybe some of those considerations
start to matter more, but there's a lot of effective PvPing that can be done
in the meantime, all jaded (however justified) PvP 2.0 thinking aside.


Regards,
4

i dare you to be successful in pvp on a db/wp scrapper.

Okie Dokie... Feel free to think what you like, and I'll do the same...

My "intent" isn't pertinent to the thread. I simply answered the OP's
question. By that thinking your "intent" is far more suspect. I don't recall
this thread being about "proving anything" - that seems to be your own
personal agenda.

I've not said anything regarding what a sonic/rad is or isn't capable of.
I simply don't care - it's not relevant, except in the context of whether it
would be a useful toon to pvp with on a "reasonable budget" - Having not
played one, I didn't offer an opinion on it. For *any* build to get to the point
where player skill doesn't matter at all, requires a LOT more outlay than a
"reasonable budget". Again, not pertinent to the OP's question.
I have played stalkers and blasters and they *can* be pvp effective on a
reasonable budget... simple question, simple answer.

I guess that depends on how you define "success" - I guarantee I could
get kills with it... how many, and who they'd be, I don't know, or care
(without actually building one). But I'm certain it would be > 0. I'd count
that as success... Perhaps you have different criteria... Fine by me...

Once again, you deliberately and intentionally miss the entire point of the thread,
so ... obvious troll is obviously just wasting time...

Carry On.


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Heretic

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

i only enjoy fights when people cry nerf on the opposite side.

but besides that, you're pretty much on point.

Wait...you actually agree with me? That was unexpected.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

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Because while it sucks compared to how it used to be, it's still better than most of the alternatives and the PvE required to PvP isn't horrifically slow and grindy.

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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."

they didn't nerf broadcast chat.

- champions was a huge nerf-fest. after respec'ing three times in three weeks and going from a an ice/force to an fire/force to a fire/regen, i got tired of all that trash.
- warhammer was grindy. far too grindy. i dont want to spend more than 50 hours getting to cap level.
- tf2 is awesome. i should be playing that, but my third world country connection won't let me.

I'll place a 100 million influence bet that your DP/WP can't beat my lolregen.

THE TIME IS NOW!

It's kind of odd that you'd include accolades in that statement when they're free, involve no trade-offs in your build, are useful in pvp and pve and provide a worthwhile boost to the effectiveness of almost any build. Getting accoladed is the first thing I'd recommend to anyone looking for a no-budget boost.

Been meaning to make a pvp Corr. Rad Blast? Havent did that yet. Curious though about the secondary. For Siren's Call level, Is thermal preferred over Pain Dom or fairly equal?

i refuse to acknowledge siren's call as a pvp zone.

siren's call is where i go get lvl 30 longbow missions to farm for the villain badge.

Well, I included accolades for the very simple reason that I've never bothered
to get any.

I didn't (and don't) dispute that they can be helpful if you have them. The
simple point I'm trying to make (evidently unsuccessfully) is that you don't
*require* these sorts of things to get in and PvP effectively.

The OP is discussing "budget" pvp. For me, I interpret that as "cheap and
easy". At that point, accolades, purples, extreme amounts of recharge,
-KB, and what have you, aren't actually real pre-requisites.

A decent SO'd build and some understanding of the PvP mindset, environment,
and tactics are enough to start becoming experienced and effective.

If my toon does have those things, is it easier and more forgiving of my
mistakes than that simple SO build? Very probably. Can I effectively PvP
without them? Absolutely.


Regards,
4

Lolz a set that only works if your opponent stands still and lets you beat on and combo him.

Stand n fite wit honur noobie!!!!!

no U!