Don't know. Katana/Dark is great. So is */Dark and Dark/*.
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Another thing you're running into is that people now are eliminating the shroud of Cloak of Darkness so it won't be as obvious.
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Dark/Shield Build Thread
Ah true true but i always thought there was nothing cooler looking then a dude in Shroud and Cloak with the Eyeball Katana out 
I was a fan of the Shroud up until I made a really nice costume lol
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Why is it that every time I pick up an old character and decide to trick it out Werner happens to choose the same combination to pimp and I end up looking like FotM?
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Originally Posted by Werner
Don't know. Katana/Dark is great. So is */Dark and Dark/*.
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Moonlighter
50s include MA/SD, MA/SR, DP/Elec, Claw/Inv, Kat/Dark, Kat/Fire, Spine/Regen, Dark/SD
First Arc: Tequila Sunrise, #168563
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Originally Posted by Moonlighter
Why is it that every time I pick up an old character and decide to trick it out Werner happens to choose the same combination to pimp and I end up looking like FotM?
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I don't think Katana/Dark will EVER be flavor of the month. It's very solid, but I don't think of it as the kind of flashy, destroy everything in your path combo that people would flock to. There's nothing exciting like Shield Charge. There's no top-end DPS. There's no amazing farm-destroying AoE. Plus, Dark Armor is kind of strange, its benefits sometimes subtle. I think it will forever remain an unsung hero, a flavor that only a few people enjoy.
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In many ways, that describes all the Dark powersets. Dark Melee has flirted with mass popularity a few times, but mostly those powersets... well, hang in the shadows.
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Originally Posted by Werner
Plus, Dark Armor is kind of strange, its benefits sometimes subtle. I think it will forever remain an unsung hero, a flavor that only a few people enjoy.
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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
I've only got the 3 /DA 50 scrappers, one was my 1st toon who I role out for TFs SG events etc. The rest I very rarely play.
The main reason for me not playing them any more is the fact that when you come to the really big end game stuff especially solo the perma-hasten softcap DM/SR wins out.
The BS/DA is the only one that comes close and thats because it has more cone/aoe attacks for TFs etc. Otherwise, it'll be the deff based toon.
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You don't think Katana with the -Resist proc combined with the damage aura doesn't provide DPS competitive with most scrappers? I think the only two things that can significantly out perform it are sets combined with Shield's damage buff or a well slotted saturated Soul Drain.|
Originally Posted by Werner
It's very solid, but I don't think of it as the kind of flashy, destroy everything in your path combo that people would flock to. There's nothing exciting like Shield Charge. There's no top-end DPS. There's no amazing farm-destroying AoE.
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It seems to be a hastened Katana with a damage aura could cycle Lotus, Dragonfly, and Flashing Steel pretty much all the time between DA. For a player that knows how to line up the cones, I think that's the best AoE option outside Spines and Claws. And with Claws shockwave will play havoc with the damage auras so I don't know if that would work well in practice. I know my Claws/Invuln just spams Spin so mobs stay tight since the back hop + Shockwave would mess with Invicibility.
Once I cap defense I expect this character to be a beast. Not DM/Shields mind you, but what combo competes with that? My biggest challenge right now is that I can't seem to cap defense and still keep Hasten. Note that I haven't tried particularly hard because the Hasten glow would look bad on my character. It looks like I will be dropping the control auras entirely, and have a defense capped character with an excellent heal and decent resists coupled with Katana's single target and AoE capabilities.
Moonlighter
50s include MA/SD, MA/SR, DP/Elec, Claw/Inv, Kat/Dark, Kat/Fire, Spine/Regen, Dark/SD
First Arc: Tequila Sunrise, #168563
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As good as DM/SR is for single target killing (though I prefer DM/Shields) it's AoE is terrible for TFs, SG events, etc. I'm getting pretty good at lining up Shadow Maul but still it is not a big AoE set. I see that more of a solo build.|
Originally Posted by Larac
I've only got the 3 /DA 50 scrappers, one was my 1st toon who I role out for TFs SG events etc. The rest I very rarely play.
The main reason for me not playing them any more is the fact that when you come to the really big end game stuff especially solo the perma-hasten softcap DM/SR wins out. The BS/DA is the only one that comes close and thats because it has more cone/aoe attacks for TFs etc. Otherwise, it'll be the deff based toon. |
To me a defense capped Katana/DA would blow that away in group play. The damage aura combined with Katana's AoE would just kill groups faster.
Moonlighter
50s include MA/SD, MA/SR, DP/Elec, Claw/Inv, Kat/Dark, Kat/Fire, Spine/Regen, Dark/SD
First Arc: Tequila Sunrise, #168563
Ai i agree that i love both Dark/ and /Dark sets I'm also working on a DM/ IA Tank that's just a beast so far and once i get Energy Absorption and Soul Drain/ uh... that other one i don't remember lol it'll be unstoppable. Yes i also agree with werner on how the Dark Set's will always be the unsung heroes so many times I've been in TF's and seen a team wipe coming just to have the DA scrap/ Tank save the day and no one ever seems to notice it makes me sad 
lol.
I'm generally impressed with my 44 BS/DA whenever I play that toon, but for some reason get bored with it very quickly. Not sure what my problem is... and I really like the idea of the DA power set... made a DA/SS tanker too which was pretty addictive to play until I rolled up my next alt 
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Originally Posted by Majek
I'm generally impressed with my 44 BS/DA whenever I play that toon, but for some reason get bored with it very quickly. Not sure what my problem is... and I really like the idea of the DA power set... made a DA/SS tanker too which was pretty addictive to play until I rolled up my next alt
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True, but I prefer the HACK of my BS/DA even if it is clunky. Must be the DnD hack n Slasher in me.|
Originally Posted by Moonlighter
To me a defense capped Katana/DA would blow that away in group play. The damage aura combined with Katana's AoE would just kill groups faster.
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As for group play, the DM/SR rarely gets a group outing, but then I rarely have time for TFs etc so for solo etc I pick her. When I do get to TF most of the time the SG beg for me to bring my rad/sonic but hey, take one for the team and all that.
Hey Larac, that DM/DA/DM guide link in your sig doesn't work.
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Hmm I should look at that. As it's an i13 guide from the old forums it might have got gobbled.|
Originally Posted by bAss_ackwards
Hey Larac, that DM/DA/DM guide link in your sig doesn't work.
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Will look at updating it and may doing DM, BS & SPN / DA in one monster guide.
DM is a monster of a set! I know DM/SR lacks aoe, but, mine kills stuff fast enough for me not to notice too much unless soloing my freak or BM farm with bosses. Then I start missing my elm's lightning rod. Smite slotted right hits like truck. Target drops before the chain is even finish then its "On to the next one! On to the next one!"
My only "to 50" expierence with /DA is on a stalker (claw/DA). I'm sure shadow dweller and hide make for a totaly different feel and playstyle then death shroud and cloak. Not to mention the lack of spin and them turning stalker's evis. into a ST attack. I almost cried when they did that. I would of deleted it if it wasn't for the addition of shadow meld to soul mastery. I'll give /DA on a scrapper another try one day.
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I will add, I was in a TF with a SS/DA Tank. wow is all I got to say
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Damage competitive with most scrappers? Sure. But not damage that makes people sit up, take notice, and say "I HAVE to get me one of those!" (You know, like Fire/Shield or Dark/Shield, which is kind of what you said, but then, that's why they're flavor of the month. |
Originally Posted by Moonlighter
You don't think Katana with the -Resist proc combined with the damage aura doesn't provide DPS competitive with most scrappers? I think the only two things that can significantly out perform it are sets combined with Shield's damage buff or a well slotted saturated Soul Drain.
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The best I have been able to do is ~27 melee, 45 ranged, 42 AoE using the PvP defense IO, but Hasten has a 27 second downtime IIRC, and my resist toggles are not quite saturated since I only had them three slotted with Aegis.|
Originally Posted by Werner
Yeah, I don't have Hasten on mine. I'll be interested if you can figure out getting both the soft cap and Hasten without big compromises, though.
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I'd like to see 30% melee so a single DA caps me, and 45 ranged. I think 40% AoE will be fine with the resists and the frequent heal. Plus, I hate designing with the PvP IO since I will probably never actually get one.
Moonlighter
50s include MA/SD, MA/SR, DP/Elec, Claw/Inv, Kat/Dark, Kat/Fire, Spine/Regen, Dark/SD
First Arc: Tequila Sunrise, #168563
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Yes agreed SS/DA Tank's are just :O what just happend lol.
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Originally Posted by Imaheroe
I will add, I was in a TF with a SS/DA Tank. wow is all I got to say
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Originally Posted by Ryeata
Yes agreed SS/DA Tank's are just :O what just happend lol.
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I've actually got a DA/EM stunlock Tanker and, honestly, it's not that great. He works incredibly well when fighting hoards of enemies but, when trying to tank a single target, he falls kind of flat. Of course, he isn't IO'd at all, and I predict he would turn into a living engine of destruction if I ever chose to do so.
Shame on you Scrapper Board! I just broke my oath to never ever make a Superstrength-character again because of this thread.
[QUOTE=Umbral;2447178]If I saw an SS/DA tank I would "o.O" mainly because that's an impossible combination (it would actually be DA/SS).
nothing is ever an impossible combo just hard one's lol. Point in fact: my buddy has an Arch/ Fire blaster that at first i was like o.0 uh. . . why then he got her to 50 and slotted her out i was like o.0 ok wtf how'd you do that
What happend to all the /Dark buddies don't really see any around anymore. Just remade my Kat/ Dark Scrap working on him again now but i miss seeing all the black blob's of Scary Faces running around
. I know it's become less popular since /Fire came out for scraps but ill always like /Dark more it's just so much more fun then /Fire will ever be to me.