Probably because the level 26 IOs reach parity with SO strength and the level 27+ IOs exceed that mark.
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http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Inventio...cement_Scaling
There is a clear mathematical progression of all of the levels.
You will barely notice the difference in practice (They lie between a white SO and a -1 yellow SO)
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[unsourced opinions follow] It does provide for elegant numbers. And a level 25 IO is better than a level 25 SO when you hit level 26 and beyond.
Possibly it was a way of saying "SO's are not TOTALLY obsolete." If I'm paying close attention to performance, I go with 15 and 20 IO's, 25 SO's [another set so I'm white through 26] and then 30 IO's. Normally I'm not that fussy so I run DO's through 22, SO's at 22 and 27, then frankenslot at 32 or nearby.
Mini-guides: Force Field Defenders, Blasters, Market Self-Defense, Frankenslotting.
So you think you're a hero, huh.
@Boltcutter in game.
Also note that you can frankenslot six level 25s to get values like this:
95% damage
95% recharge
46% accuracy
30% end reduction
That's a typical slotting I'm using right now on several characters.
That's grossly superior to SOs, and quite usable at 50 (especially if you have some global +acc from sets).
Pretty good for level 25, huh?
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Level 10 IO's stink and level 50 IO's are very powerful. Level 25 simply happens to be below the point where they surpass SO's. There had to be some point where the IO's became better and it just happens NOT to be by level 25. No 'reason' other than that.
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Originally Posted by Chuckers
Has there ever been given a reason why Level 25 inventions are less powerful than the corresponding Level 25 SO's?
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Level 15,20 and 30 IO's are better than the equivalent-level boughten items.
The original system was off in a number of ways- you weren't expected in the design phase to have full SO's until about level 32, so level 25 SO's were relatively overpowered. (and they thought people would use global channels to trade and/or sell low level SO's to each other.And they didn't foresee the relatively vast fortunes every level 50 would have. Mistakes were made.)
Mini-guides: Force Field Defenders, Blasters, Market Self-Defense, Frankenslotting.
So you think you're a hero, huh.
@Boltcutter in game.
Its a shame I dont have a copy of the earlier version of the data.
In the early days of I9 testing the set IOs and common IOs had a different basis entirely, and the common IOs all were below the sets in effectiveness.
I can't remember if the sets were broguht down, the commons brought up, or both.
Anyone remember the details from that time ?
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Thanks for that link.. it does explain a lot. I think my issue was due to the fact that I jumped from DO's to SO's immediately at 22 because I had the inf to do so. Back when I started the game 5 years ago, I wouldn't have been able to do that. IO's at level 25 would have been more powerful than the equivilant DO that I could have afforded.
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Originally Posted by Catwhoorg
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Inventio...cement_Scaling
There is a clear mathematical progression of all of the levels. You will barely notice the difference in practice (They lie between a white SO and a -1 yellow SO) |
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That's technically true, but if you're doing the crafting yourself, lvl 20s are not worth the cost. For some reason there's a huge divide between the cost of lvl 15 IOs and lvl 20 IOs, so much so that you're better off sticking with the lvl 15s until you hit 22 and can slot the lvl 25 IOs.|
Originally Posted by Fulmens
Level 15,20 and 30 IO's are better than the equivalent-level boughten items.
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Lvl 25 IOs are only 1% 'worse' than an SO, which I consider the 'trade off' for them never degrading or needing to be replaced.
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What IOs are you using for that awesome?
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Originally Posted by Sailboat
Also note that you can frankenslot six level 25s to get values like this:
95% damage 95% recharge 46% accuracy 30% end reduction That's a typical slotting I'm using right now on several characters. That's grossly superior to SOs, and quite usable at 50 (especially if you have some global +acc from sets). Pretty good for level 25, huh? |
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Wow... never really reallized how good the 25's could be... I just usually go the SO route and start to build my sets at 30. |
Originally Posted by Sailboat
Also note that you can frankenslot six level 25s to get values like this:
95% damage 95% recharge 46% accuracy 30% end reduction That's a typical slotting I'm using right now on several characters. That's grossly superior to SOs, and quite usable at 50 (especially if you have some global +acc from sets). Pretty good for level 25, huh? |
Might have to rethink my low level builds
Throwing out a Ranged damage power slotting without really trying to optmoise.
Salvo Quad
Maelstrom and Entropic Chaos D/E/R
Ruin and Decimation A/D/R
Ruin A/E/R
Before ED
Acc 62%
Dam 78 (so a little light)
Recharge 80%
End 62%
range 8%
So compared to Sailboat I have too much acc and too little damage. Thats easily adjustable though.
They key is grabbing as many triples as you can. Each is like having 1.5 SOs
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Throwing out a Ranged damage power slotting without really trying to optimise. Salvo Quad Maelstrom and Entropic Chaos D/E/R Ruin and Decimation A/D/R Ruin A/E/R Before ED Acc 62% Dam 78 (so a little light) Recharge 80% End 62% range 8% So compared to Sailboat I have too much acc and too little damage. Thats easily adjustable though. They key is grabbing as many triples as you can. Each is like having 1.5 SOs |
and don't want to hunt in the rarer pools for quads and triples, and you don't mind the cheapo off-brands, then ...
In just 5 slots you can do this for your ranged power (pre ED math)
using L25 set IO's:
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Set Type ACC DAM END RCH
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Salvo: Acc/Dmg 20 20 -- --
Tempest: Acc/Dmg 20 20 -- --
Volley Fire: Acc/Dmg 20 20 -- --
Dmg/Rch 20 -- 20
Dmg/End 20 20 --
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60 100 20 20
(95+ Ed)
and put in more than a +3 DO of recharge and End Rdx.
Additionally, you'll get a 4% Regen bonus, and a small boost to max health
at any exemp level down to L20. And, of course, you have that saved
slot that you could put elsewhere (a BIG bonus for Khelds)
Finally, depending on the actual power, it can often-times accept
certain other off-type sets (like, say Slow) so, you could put an IO like
Tempered Readiness: End/Rch/Slow in a 6th slot and end up with a
+2 SO's worth of EndRdx and Rch and a DO of slow, or even throw
in a Proc later instead (ie. Devastation: Chance to Hold) or some such.
In general you can end up with a nicely slotted power you never have
to look at again, and you can often do it for pretty darn cheap as well.
Regards,
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there's a buyer who leaves the market dirty stinkin' IOed. - Obitus.
Yeah, I was slotting an AoE hold and calculated the numbers I could get with 5 acc/hold/rech pieces...... Just one problem. Only FOUR hold sets actually had an acc/hold/rech piece. Still, I got pretty good numbers in 5 slots.
P.S. I didn't even look at purples since the character was too low.
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This may have been asked already, but I couldn't find it.
Has there ever been given a reason why Level 25 inventions are less powerful than the corresponding Level 25 SO's?
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