Please observe falling damage on mobs
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Posted on: 2009-11-23 11:16 in Suggestions and Ideas
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Im more satisfied that I can get full xp because they DON'T take falling dmg.
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Originally Posted by Stormfront_NA
It would be nice if mobs would experience falling damage as opposed to be immune to it. It would be very satisfying as I kick one, and it happens to go off a balcony or ledge, to fall and perhaps be defeated by the damage taken by the fall. They can knock me down, and over an edge, and I do take fall damage. Why not them too?
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"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill
I could've sworn they already take falling damage (unless, of course, you're in the Shard). Of course, since falling damage is very minor except from extreme heights, and it's not like normal damage (it doesn't appear in the combat log, for example), it would be hard to notice without a damage floater. And I don't think they get the floater for falling damage.
In short: I think they do take falling damage, but you're only ever going to notice on very low level enemies.
Also: I'm not sure whether enemies get the same falling damage protection we do (falling damage can never kill you, but it can leave you at 1hp). If they do get the same protection, you'd never kill them by knocking them off a ledge.
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Last I knew they did as well, barring any patch changes I may have missed.
On a side note, the mobs that use to spawn at the top of the very tall buildings in Bricks have stopped spawning. I miss being able to send them flying to their doom, just out of visual range 
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Speaking as someone who's spent an inordinant amount of time maneuvering enemies into position to careen off a ledge, I can tell you that they get the floater and cannot be killed via falling damage alone. The floater however does occasionally not show up, usually if it's a high number, but it's kinda random too. Enemies definitely take falling damage.|
Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
I could've sworn they already take falling damage (unless, of course, you're in the Shard). Of course, since falling damage is very minor except from extreme heights, and it's not like normal damage (it doesn't appear in the combat log, for example), it would be hard to notice without a damage floater. And I don't think they get the floater for falling damage.
Also: I'm not sure whether enemies get the same falling damage protection we do (falling damage can never kill you, but it can leave you at 1hp). If they do get the same protection, you'd never kill them by knocking them off a ledge. |
Personally I wish that damage COULD defeat them, and that they'd take a lot more of it when it happens. I doubt I'd get much support for that, but it'd be great. XP for lulz, fair trade.
Mobs do take falling damage. In fact they follow the exact same falling damage formula as you do, including the "can't be reduced to less than 1 hp by falling damage" clause.
Falling damage is "environmental damage" though. It won't show up in your combat logs, it won't count towards damage you've done to the mob for experience purposes, etc...
(easy way to test this: Get any of the "spawns an ambush" missions while you're standing underneath a skyscraper. Many times, the mobs will spawn on top of the skyscraper and then step off trying to reach you, falling down and then running up to you while nearly dead from the fall)
I've seen it happen many, many, times (even as recently as my last newbie about 2 weeks ago), especially on some of the early ambush missions in Kings Row.
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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
Im more satisfied that I can get full xp because they DON'T take falling dmg.
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We're sappin yer xp.
I think mobs can be killed by fall damage...unlike us. Im pretty sure I've punted one or two off the Web or some such high point, to cackle madly as the health bar hits 0 on contact. I can almost here the 'Thud' ^^
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Not only do mobs take falling damage, reducing their xp value, but the health lost by Paragon Protectors when firing off Moment of Glory is also deducted from their xp value.
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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
Im more satisfied that I can get full xp because they DON'T take falling dmg.
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Come to think of it, I believe you may be correct, at least partially. On occasion I have seen Bane Spiders standing around ground floor of Grandville (where there aren't normally Bane Spider spawns), underneath the Web (where there are Bane Spider spawns). Except they don't respond to attacks.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
I think mobs can be killed by fall damage...unlike us. Im pretty sure I've punted one or two off the Web or some such high point, to cackle madly as the health bar hits 0 on contact. I can almost here the 'Thud' ^^
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As I recall, the conclusion that was eventually drawn after some discussion was that the Bane Spiders fall off the Web, and get hit by falling damage. The bane Spider's AI thinks that it's dead, and so stops responding to anything - after all, I'm dead, right? But the actual entity is saved by the falling-damage-won't-kill-you code with 1hp, and then regenerates that HP. This results in a full-health Bane Spider, standing where no Bane Spider ought to be, which does not respond to the presence of aggroable targets or to attacks.
http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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I'm more of the opinion that the radical position change leads to a phenomenon not too different than the occasionally recurring bug where an Ouroboros portal will "follow" the caster. The portal becomes nonresponsive. It has left behind the active portion of the entity and the graphical portion is offset.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Come to think of it, I believe you may be correct, at least partially. On occasion I have seen Bane Spiders standing around ground floor of Grandville (where there aren't normally Bane Spider spawns), underneath the Web (where there are Bane Spider spawns). Except they don't respond to attacks.
As I recall, the conclusion that was eventually drawn after some discussion was that the Bane Spiders fall off the Web, and get hit by falling damage. The bane Spider's AI thinks that it's dead, and so stops responding to anything - after all, I'm dead, right? But the actual entity is saved by the falling-damage-won't-kill-you code with 1hp, and then regenerates that HP. This results in a full-health Bane Spider, standing where no Bane Spider ought to be, which does not respond to the presence of aggroable targets or to attacks. |
"Null is as much an argument "for removing the cottage rule" as the moon being round is for buying tennis shoes." -Memphis Bill
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So similar yet different then one hitting a NPC before they know you are there and having them continue doing whatever they were doing till they fade out?
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Come to think of it, I believe you may be correct, at least partially. On occasion I have seen Bane Spiders standing around ground floor of Grandville (where there aren't normally Bane Spider spawns), underneath the Web (where there are Bane Spider spawns). Except they don't respond to attacks.
As I recall, the conclusion that was eventually drawn after some discussion was that the Bane Spiders fall off the Web, and get hit by falling damage. The bane Spider's AI thinks that it's dead, and so stops responding to anything - after all, I'm dead, right? But the actual entity is saved by the falling-damage-won't-kill-you code with 1hp, and then regenerates that HP. This results in a full-health Bane Spider, standing where no Bane Spider ought to be, which does not respond to the presence of aggroable targets or to attacks. |
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But the case I'm talking about, you can still attack and damage them, they just don't respond.
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Originally Posted by Lemur Lad
I'm more of the opinion that the radical position change leads to a phenomenon not too different than the occasionally recurring bug where an Ouroboros portal will "follow" the caster. The portal becomes nonresponsive. It has left behind the active portion of the entity and the graphical portion is offset.
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
I'd say they should tweak the formula so that enemies take slightly more falling damage and then add more environmental hazards like lava to instanced missions. Would make a valid tactical advantage and would probably be as close as the gameplay engine will allow us to smash enemies through stuff.
Mmm, I never seen them die from a fall, but perhaps because falling is not damaging at high levels is a good reason I don't notice their getting hurt. I think the devs should not penalize one for good tactics, if you can manipulate a situation to force a mob to fall and get hurt, why should one not get credit as opposed to punished by loss of experience?
When I made the comment originally, I was thinking of the Romans at Cimerora, where the jump from really way up there from the platform over the robot's head where Requiem and Romulus can be found, and when I target them, they appear to be undamaged. Guess its the devs version of special forces, ha ha ha ha.
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Stormy
It would be nice if mobs would experience falling damage as opposed to be immune to it. It would be very satisfying as I kick one, and it happens to go off a balcony or ledge, to fall and perhaps be defeated by the damage taken by the fall. They can knock me down, and over an edge, and I do take fall damage. Why not them too?
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Stormy