Bidding 200 Million Each for Three L53 Enzymes Blue Side
By
Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2009-11-04 09:15 in The Market and Inventions
Good luck with that, there can't be that many left 
. Out of curiosity, do any 51s or 52s actually exist? I know there was a bug that made level 53s but I wasn't aware of any 51s or 52s.
Yes, 51s and 52s exist as well, and seem significantly more common. That's how I've gotten "53s" on past builds. But I thought I'd start at the top and work my way down this time.
Oh, and an important point...
I WILL post in this thread before taking the bids down. If you want to sell, and there aren't three sold for 200 million, and I haven't posted that I've taken the bids down, the bids are still up. You won't lose the posting fee.
But no, I don't actually expect to get any. Worth a shot, though.
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I may have one slotted on a character I was planning a respec for. I'll check tonight.
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Is the percentage increase that the 53 will give over a 50 or 50++ really worth it? (real question)
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For Werner, yes it is. He is well know for pushing things to the extreme of the performance envelope.|
Originally Posted by Microcosm
Is the percentage increase that the 53 will give over a 50 or 50++ really worth it? (real question)
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For me, no that's why if I had one I would respec out of it and sell it.
As can be guessed from that previous comment, I don't have any 53 in the character I thought may have.
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The straight answer is NO, of course it isn't worth it.|
Originally Posted by Microcosm
Is the percentage increase that the 53 will give over a 50 or 50++ really worth it? (real question)
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In my case, I'm lowering endurance drain by 0.02 EPS, and raising my AoE defense from 44.80% to 44.96%. When you're just under the softcap, that IS the point where very small percentage differences actually have a large effect, but it'll still be pretty negligible. Let's see... my spreadsheet says that my survivability will be lower by 0.3% if I compromise here and go with level 50 Hamios. That matters to me, but in practice will NEVER make a difference.
So really, it's down to a mental defect. It would gnaw away at me if I compromised on performance, even minutely, for reasons of cost.
"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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What's the chance to succesfully combine HOs?
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Originally Posted by Werner
... before more realistically cutting back to level 52 or 51 and combining.
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Same as any other IOs, so 95% to combine a 51 with a 50, 90% to combine a 52 with a 50. It's a butt-clenching moment for sure.
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Originally Posted by munecaroon
What's the chance to succesfully combine HOs?
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"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
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I know I have some 51s and 52s in storage, but I don't remember off hand what kind of HOs they are. Back before IOs I used to do one or two Hammy raids a day. And since we didn't have storage or a market, I would combine them.
But I'm fairly sure I do not have anything level 53. Sorry, Werner. If you decide to go for lower ones let me know (@bionic flea).
50s: Inv/SS PB Emp/Dark Grav/FF DM/Regen TA/A Sonic/Elec MA/Regen Fire/Kin Sonic/Rad Ice/Kin Crab Fire/Cold NW Merc/Dark Emp/Sonic Rad/Psy Emp/Ice WP/DB FA/SM
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I'll almost certainly be resorting to lower level ones, but I'll probably let the 53 bids sit up there for quite a while since I'm not in a rush. I'm actually VERY curious what happens when you put a 50++ on the market. I suppose I could experiment on an SO and assume the same thing would happen, but I really need to run to work.
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As I recall, you cant put a + HO on the market... so once you combine them you cant sell them in the AH.
I have a full set of 52s slotted on my rad troller, and havent combined them to make them 52+ just in case I ever want to market them.
Haven't been on this in ages ..
If you settle on those one level lower than your initial request, feel free to hit me up.
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I didn't even realize that you could get L53 EEs...how much do they improve over L50s?
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HOs scale at the same rate as SOs. So a level 53 HO provides the same enhancement values as +3 SOs.|
Originally Posted by Santorican
I didn't even realize that you could get L53 EEs...how much do they improve over L50s?
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http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Enhancements#Schedule_A
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About .03 improvement in most things if at the ED cap.|
Originally Posted by Santorican
I didn't even realize that you could get L53 EEs...how much do they improve over L50s?
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Also, I have a vague recollection that the market used to take + and ++ enhancements but the buyer only got an even level, but that the devs patched that to make the game's market consider a +HO a 51 and a ++HO a 52. I searched for it and couldn't find it. But that's what I remember.
50s: Inv/SS PB Emp/Dark Grav/FF DM/Regen TA/A Sonic/Elec MA/Regen Fire/Kin Sonic/Rad Ice/Kin Crab Fire/Cold NW Merc/Dark Emp/Sonic Rad/Psy Emp/Ice WP/DB FA/SM
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Last I heard what they actually did was make it so the market actively refuses to accept ++'d HOs. Someone in a global channel I'm in was bemoaning that the other day, because they had planned to sell their ++'d ones for a tidy sum, and couldn't sell them at all.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Due to a bug in transferring enhancements, you can strip the +/++ out of the HOs by giving the enhancement to another toon first (not trading), so if you want to sell a 52 or 51 Hami you could, but losing the extra +'s can cause a bit of consternation.|
Originally Posted by UberGuy
Last I heard what they actually did was make it so the market actively refuses to accept ++'d HOs. Someone in a global channel I'm in was bemoaning that the other day, because they had planned to sell their ++'d ones for a tidy sum, and couldn't sell them at all.
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I've got some 52s and 52+s enzymes, but I have them slotted and/or pack ratted them away somewhere.
Can't you use Cytoskeletons as well? From what I recall, the to-hit buff and to-hit debuff works the same way anyhow as long as you can get it slotted (which you should be able to if the end discount aspect can be slotted). It should open up your market that wee bit for 53 Cytos as well as Enzymes.
Enzymes give a 33% defense buff, as opposed to 20% for Cytos (and any other enhancement).
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Ah, gotcha. I never knew they changed that back in 2006.
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Originally Posted by Nihilii
Enzymes give a 33% defense buff, as opposed to 20% for Cytos (and any other enhancement).
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Please don't use the wikia wiki. It hasn't been officially updated in ages. The proper wiki can be found at http://paragonwiki.com - there's also a Titan Network address, but both point at the same address. The link you should have used is:
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Hamidon_...se.2FToHit_Bug
@Roderick
That looks like a pre-I9 comment. I heard rumor that a red name had more-recently posted that the originally-unintended uses of Hamios are no longer considered an exploit, and are now considered a feature of the Hamios. Not that the comment was explained to me, but I'd assume the rationale is that it has been like this for years and years, and that Hamios have almost nothing going for them over IOs EXCEPT for things like this. Never saw the post itself, assuming there is or was such a post. It's just what I heard.
If for some reason it IS still considered an exploit, and is still some day changed, I'll need to change my build. Builds requiring changes is par for the course in this game due to nerfs, buffs and new IOs. No biggie.
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I follow the dev digest fairly religiously, and I don't remember that, exactly. What I remember Castle saying was that this wasn't the sort of thing they were going to hunt down and punish players for, but if they could ever make it so that enhancers didn't work this way, they would, and so "slotter beware". I do believe he also said it wasn't likely to change anytime soon because it's at such a fundamental level in how the boosts system works, but that may have been a follow-up comment by a non-redname.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Yeah, I basically got the same out of it. Like when they changed the Unique Chance for Build Up IO so that it actually WAS Unique. Anyone who didn't respec, lost the extras in their build.|
Originally Posted by UberGuy
I follow the dev digest fairly religiously, and I don't remember that, exactly. What I remember Castle saying was that this wasn't the sort of thing they were going to hunt down and punish players for, but if they could ever make it so that enhancers didn't work this way, they would, and so "slotter beware". I do believe he also said it wasn't likely to change anytime soon because it's at such a fundamental level in how the boosts system works, but that may have been a follow-up comment by a non-redname.
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Of course, then people screamed so much that we were given a freespec, even though the number of people making use of that bug was reported by the devs to be incredibly low, like 1% of characters or less.
@Roderick
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Yeah, I've heard this from enough people to become semi-convinced that a dev did say something that could be interpreted along those lines but like you I've never seen the proof.|
Originally Posted by Werner
That looks like a pre-I9 comment. I heard rumor that a red name had more-recently posted that the originally-unintended uses of Hamios are no longer considered an exploit, and are now considered a feature of the Hamios. Not that the comment was explained to me, but I'd assume the rationale is that it has been like this for years and years, and that Hamios have almost nothing going for them over IOs EXCEPT for things like this. Never saw the post itself, assuming there is or was such a post. It's just what I heard.
If for some reason it IS still considered an exploit, and is still some day changed, I'll need to change my build. Builds requiring changes is par for the course in this game due to nerfs, buffs and new IOs. No biggie. |
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
I follow the dev digest fairly religiously, and I don't remember that, exactly. What I remember Castle saying was that this wasn't the sort of thing they were going to hunt down and punish players for, but if they could ever make it so that enhancers didn't work this way, they would, and so "slotter beware". I do believe he also said it wasn't likely to change anytime soon because it's at such a fundamental level in how the boosts system works, but that may have been a follow-up comment by a non-redname.
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(EDIT: ALL HAVE BEEN BOUGHT. BIDS ARE NO LONGER UP.)
I have three open bids on the blue-side market for level 53 Enzyme Exposures for 200 million each. Yes, I know that none have sold since February of last year. I thought I'd at least TRY to get 53s before more realistically cutting back to level 52 or 51 and combining.
"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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