Dark Controllers incoming?

A few days late to make this post but on the last day of herocon on the "what if" a Dark Control set was brought up and was said to either be allready designed or something along those lines, this does give me hope that someday we will have this very wicked set to play with and with hope comes desire to discuss.

Given how the defender and corrupter darkness sets are extremely controller-y as is what might we hope to see in such a set, what kind of powers would we see?

As far as powers go I would imagine the primary to look something like

1) A single target version of Tenebrous tenticles Immobilize
2) A direct copy of Petrifying gaze ST Hold
3) A direct copy of Tenebrous Tenticles
4) A new power, a ranged Chill of the night/Howling twilight sans-res esque? Maybe Darkest night.
5) A direct copy of Fearsome stare
6) A Direct copy of Tar patch?
7) A AoE version of Petrifying gaze?
8) A New power? Possibly a beefed up version of dark pit (no acc penalty, mag 3)
9) A Clone of fluffy?

A secondary to accompany it would be a total mystery to me, they might just have it stay a primary only, I would not have a problem with this....

Thoughts?

It seems to me that if they make it a primary for controllers, there is almost no way that the could make a secondary that wouldn't just be ridiculous amounts of control... In other words, I don't think trollers will get Dark Miasma, ever.

Electricity control has been hinted at as the next primary. (Hero Con I believe)

I am hoping that the discussion of Dark prior to I16 indicates they will have all the Dark proliferation (blast, control, buff/debuff, manipulation, assault) in for I17 (if such an issue is going to exist; I thought I saw a reference to I17 in a redname post).

There was a dev post pretty much saying it wasn't going to happen without major reworking. (can't remember the specifics)

There ya go, thanks for the clarification.

It definitely will be interesting to see how they construct a Dark Control primary-- such a set would likely straddle the substantial divide between the ST/AoE Immob sets and the ST Dmg/Cone Fear sets. Of course, Gravity almost that, and like Dark Miasma, has an AoE Intang.

Now I'm worried Dark Control could be built on a Grav Control template.

I'm a little confused about whether we're talking about the proliferation of the existing Dark Miasma set or the creation of a new Dark Control set.

IMO Dark Control isn't really needed. Dark Miasma is already more or less a control set, although more in a Trick Arrow-y or Radiation-y way than a Earth or Mind Control-y way, if you know what I mean. I don't think we need a Dark Control set for the same reason I don't think "Trick Arrow Control" is needed.

Sometimes I hear that Dark Miasma won't be proliferated to Controllers as a secondary because it would be "too powerful." I agree that it would be strong, but IMO not any worse than Radiation or Kinetics. Some people also say that it would be the death of Defenders, but IMO if the only thing making Defenders playable is a single powerset which they may or may not actually pick, the proper course of action is to fix Defenders, not deny Controllers the set.

I also hope the rumor about Electric Control being the next set is wrong. Mainly because I'm bored with the amount of Fire/Ice/Lightning/Earth around when there are other power sets missing in action that could make totally new types of characters possible, like Water, Air, Insect, Time, Light, Luck, Matter, Slime, Soul, or whatever else. I think the decision to go with Shields, Pain, Dual Pistols, and Demon Summoning adds twenty times to the game what shuffling existing power sources around would have done.

Now, I didn't get the impression they were working on it. I just took it as "here's why it won't work the way things are now."

With power colour customization, a Dark Control set is likely never to come. With appropriate colour selections both Mind and Illusion easilly pass for dark control.


Dark Miasma, on the other hand, would be a wonderful addition to the Controller secondaries.

Didn't I read through all that text that Electric Control was coming to us?

I personally want a Dark Control set just so Dominators could possibly have a dark themed set. Right now all Archetypes except Dominators can have (or potentially have in the case of Controllers and Blasters) a dark themed set. Even if Dark Control was unique to Dominators in the same way that Illusion Control is unique to Controllers.

I don't see what the problem with /Dark would be with /Rad having a similar playstyle and power. Then again, you can stick /Rad with dark colors and pretend it's dark. Then pair it with Dark Mind and voila, Dark Controller.

What I'm waiting for is /Traps for controllers so Gravity will finally have an extremely synergistic secondary to pair with.

'Dark control' would have more of a netherworld/fear component, in my mind, than a re-color of present control sets. There is something to be said for the functional theme of powers: you can re-color invulnerability to be dark, but it doesn't play half the same as a dark armor character does.

But as for dark/dark controllers, it gets real tricky. Not only do they have to gut out miasma's 'over-controllery' powers, they have to replace with something still good that doesn't exceed Dark/ defender capabilities. Not just that, to bar extra work, the resulting dark control would have to work on dominators without stepping on a dominator dark assault. Which couldn't have the dark powers from the dominator dark patron pool. In other words, it's real sticky/tricky. As such, I expect to see easier proliferation first.

Which leads me to, "why don't you just color fire dark?"

If you (generic you) want your darkity dark, it's probably your (generic your) only option any time soon for all the reasons stated.

After reading the Dev post and some of the responses to it..I don't see Dark control coming. However, I'm wondering if they are considering porting the Master Mind version of Dark Miasma to Controllers. Since it's already had it's numbers watered down to compensate for powerful primaries. I'm also wondering if Electric Control is going to wow us into not caring about dark control.