I do the same... I just have far worse luck :P
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Which bracket did you "roll" in? 35-39 or 40-45?
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Won't anyone think of the mid-list?!
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Originally Posted by Ignatz
I always save my merits until level 50, then roll randomly.
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I always roll the 35-39. Not entirely sure that's the best route, but seems to give me the best odds at getting valuable recipes.
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I would agree with the 35-39 theory. i used to save hem for specific recipes, but i do random roll now and save until I hit 50. With the random roll at 35-39 I have rolled Miracle proc x2 and Numina proc once along with an Imp Armor Resistance.|
Originally Posted by Ignatz
I always roll the 35-39. Not entirely sure that's the best route, but seems to give me the best odds at getting valuable recipes.
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I do. I exemp a lot, so I like mid-level recipes. I blow all my merits on random rolls at level 37. By then, my toons have always done all 6 signature TF's, plus Moonfire, Hess and Katie.
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Originally Posted by Reptlbrain
Won't anyone think of the mid-list?!
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I roll everything at 33 (and again as appropriate, later) but I don't run guys up the levels that much these days. So I don't help much.
Mini-guides: Force Field Defenders, Blasters, Market Self-Defense, Frankenslotting.
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There are really good reasons to only roll at maximum level, though. With a few exceptions, recipes at less than maximum level sell for a lot less (sometimes a lot less).|
Originally Posted by Reptlbrain
Won't anyone think of the mid-list?!
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I am all for better supply of mid-level recipes, but rolling on a character that's not level 50 really isn't going to get you the best money for your merits.
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I certainly realize this--and in fact have started rolling merits at 30, 35, or 40, in case of Impervium Armors, Kinetic Combat Triples, Miracles and the like. But I can't stand the thought of leveling through the 30s without IOs and imagine many other folks are the same. And I can make cash pretty easily otherwise. Putting IOs in a character that is mostly finished for me seems a little hollow. (I suppose I play my 50s a lot less than most people in the game.)
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Originally Posted by Laevateinn
There are really good reasons to only roll at maximum level, though. With a few exceptions, recipes at less than maximum level sell for a lot less (sometimes a lot less).
I am all for better supply of mid-level recipes, but rolling on a character that's not level 50 really isn't going to get you the best money for your merits. |
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I'm not at all sure a majority of people play level 50 characters most of the time. Certainly a lot of people do it, but I couldn't say what percentage of players that is.|
Originally Posted by Reptlbrain
I suppose I play my 50s a lot less than most people in the game.
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They just happen to figure very largely in the market landscape, because they earn the most income.
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
It's true. Other people probably should roll at 50. I would buy "under-50" rolls except I don't think anyone's selling.
Edit to clarify: If you have 20 (to 200) merits, you're under level 50, and you want cash instead of risk, I'll pay 8 million per roll, in advance, for whatever you get.
Mini-guides: Force Field Defenders, Blasters, Market Self-Defense, Frankenslotting.
So you think you're a hero, huh.
@Boltcutter in game.
I don't sell 'em; I roll 'em. All of my toons use up all their merits when they hit level 37. Once they're past 37, they only buy specific recipes (at relatively low levels).
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Bless you (in a non-denominational way).
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
All of my toons use up all their merits when they hit level 37.
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Not quite what I said, rather that other people with 50s seem to play them more than I play my 50s. My 50s tend to move to that retirement community by the name of Wentworth's, I believe it's called.|
Originally Posted by UberGuy
I'm not at all sure a majority of people play level 50 characters most of the time.
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Partly my perception is probably skewed by the boards where people often claim they IO-out with "plains" in the 30s and wait til 50 to put in sets. In addition, mid-level builds are the exception and people mostly post completed 50 builds on the boards. (I was told once to "stop giving bad advice" and then neg-repped for suggesting mid-level building strategies in lieu of a three-purple/4 LotG/2 HO model.) And I learned it from you, Uberguy, I learned it from you. [/80s public service announcement]
Just out of curiosity I did two spot checks of population last night:
Virtue/Villain
113 50s online vs. 218 non-50s (more than 1/3 of the population!)
Justice/hero
61 50s online vs. 186 non-50s (just less than 1/4 of the population)
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I usually roll in whatever range I'm in until the higher levels, where I roll at 35-39 (unless I'm in a 10-14 mood). I unwittingly hoarded some merits on my Dom (at 45 now), I was up over 90 before rolling a few lately. Rolled a Devastation proc (which I needed), a Lady Grey (boo) and a Zephyr KB protection (woooo!). Keeping the last one as I need those on a couple toons.
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Originally Posted by Ignatz
I always roll the 35-39. Not entirely sure that's the best route, but seems to give me the best odds at getting valuable recipes.
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Influence Sink: IO Level Mod/Recrafting
Random Merit Rolls: Scale cost by Toon Level
My cousin and i duo'd Positron last night. Took us 4 hours on 2 scrappers. (dont know if thats decent time or not) He's level 31 and i was 25.
At the end i got 3 rolls. I got a level 25 Miracle: Recov, a 25 Basilik Gaze: Chance for..., and a level 25 Eradication: Chance for...
My other account was a filler and logged back in at last mish. Her rolls wasn't as good although she did get an Eradicaion: Quad.
I think i want some more merit rolls if my luck maintains. lol.
When merits first came out, I was anti-rolling. However, I don't think it's a bad strategy anymore. It's still not necessarily the best way to make money. When recipes find themselves floating into the 100mil range for 200-240 merits, I'm generally of the opinion that buying is a lot safer.
I've rolled the 400+ merits that my last two 50s earned on the way up. One made out like a bandit, the other did fine, but a bit less than what I would have earned anyway.
The next one up will buy one Blessing of the Zephyr -KB (Because they're getting harder to buy by the day it seems), and roll the rest.
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Hmm....one possibly relevent thing I failed to mention is that my last three level 50s that saved and rolled each had at least 126 million influence as well(175,126,274 if I remember correctly) before rolling. This made me confident that even if the rolls were sub-par I'd still have enough Influence to purchase most or all of the IO's I wanted.
I'm curious though Ironblade. Why level 37? I'm guessing for the purpose of exemping, but I'm a bit unsure.
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Originally Posted by EvilGeko
When merits first came out, I was anti-rolling. However, I don't think it's a bad strategy anymore. It's still not necessarily the best way to make money. When recipes find themselves floating into the 100mil range for 200-240 merits, I'm generally of the opinion that buying is a lot safer.
I've rolled the 400+ merits that my last two 50s earned on the way up. One made out like a bandit, the other did fine, but a bit less than what I would have earned anyway. The next one up will buy one Blessing of the Zephyr -KB (Because they're getting harder to buy by the day it seems), and roll the rest. |
This isn't the old merit rolling. The original random rolls were definitely bad. The current rolls are weighted towards things people actually use.
Edit: P.S. I doubt there were many people more against the original rolls than I was.
WE did Synapse today and i had 6 rolls (3 toons) and i rolled a 7.5 LotG level 30 and a Numina trip level 30. The other rolls weren't great but not shabby either. The 2 above were by far the best though. I tend to roll 35-39 because when i was "meowing" i got great rolls back then so i tend to hang in that level. lol.
So..my latest level 50 saved 426 (I think) Merits. This was the result of random rolling. Far better than choosing specific recipes.
Devastation-Acc/Dam/Recharge
Aegis -End/Recharge/Res
Touch of the Nictus-Energy Damage
Force Feedback-Recharge/End
Stupefy -Acc/Stun/Recharge
Lotg -Recharge X2
Decimation -Acc/End/Recharge X2
Touch of Death-Dam/End/Recharge X2
Mako's Bite -Acc/End/Recharge
Pacing of the Turtle-End/Recharge
Ghost Widow's -Acc/Hold/Rch
Aegis -End/Recharge
Expedient -End/Dam/Recharge
Positron's -Energy Damage
Decimation -Acc/Dam/Recharge
Celerity(Stealth)
Malaise -Psi Damage
I know there are some who don't believe in random rolling...I, however, will continue giving myself the best odds at getting the best for my Merits.
Edit: Although not documented until now, this is very average for my level 50 random Merit roll. I always save my merits until level 50, then roll randomly. Of course, I run quite a few TF's.