Ss / sr ?

Although I really like the set, I've avoided making a /SR Brute because it doesn't feel very "Brutish" to me, plus I already have 4 /SR Scraps. I decided to give it a whirl though, and want to pair it with SS.

I can see the potential problem with the Rage crash, but other than that, how does this combo fare? I would guess there are better options to pair it with, but concept-wise, I want to make a street-fighter type.

I tried one into the teens but gre tired of Superstrength since I already had 3 other SS brutes. Your main concern will be getting Rage to double stack so to avoid the -defense portion of the crash. Otherwise your survivability will plummted when Rage does crash.

SR on villain side can be made into a beast but before then you'll struggle a bit while leveling. Brutes don't have the benefit of another AT taking the shots in most instances(scrappers have tanks) so the weaknesses in SR, in the low levels, shows up a bit more. However, once you can invest into IOs you'll be able to softcap your brute to melee, ranged, and AoE defense all without having to take Weave, and I think that's a definite bonus.

I was wondering about this. Does SR's defence debuff resistince work on rages crash?? If so, i doubt i'd be that bad. If not, OUCH.

From CoD:
Defense -0.2 for 10s (after 120 second delay) [Ignores Enhancements & Buffs]

I'm mostly sure that the "Ignores Enhancements and Buffs" portion of that also means "unresistable."

I wouldn't even TAKE rage on an SS/SR brute until I knew that it would stack and avoid the defense debuff.

Otherwise, you're asking for a death sentence or tucking your tail and running before every crash. Either choose is silly.

Here is a very high recharge build for SS/SR. I guess you could substitute rage for combat jumping, but I prefer to get just over softcap.



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@Imt1979 I think you're selling yourself short if you're not slotting your attacks like attacks.


@OP - I was curious, so I played around with this in mids. It could use more hit points, but I wanted to softcap all positions without the fighting pool and get perma-rage - and I think at the least the build should give you some ideas.

It probably needs heavy tweaking.

I threw hecatomb in there, but you could substitute it with crushing impact and not really lose much.

I took the powers in roughly the order I would take them, but I slotted them at random. I leave KO Blow til the mid 20s because you can rely on brawl, punch and haymaker until then and KO Blow is a massive end hog so it's nice to have STA before you start using it.

As for not feeling Brute-like, while Super Speed conceptually might not feel very brute-like to you, I think you'll find that Super Strength will provide that feeling in droves.



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Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Super Reflexes
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Medicine
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Punch -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg:40(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx:40(3), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg:40(3), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(5), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(5), T'Death-Dam%:40(7)
Level 1: Focused Fighting -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(13), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(13), LkGmblr-Def:50(40)
Level 2: Haymaker -- Mako-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx:50(7), Mako-Dmg/Rchg:50(9), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:50(9), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(11), Mako-Dam%:50(11)
Level 4: Focused Senses -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(15), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(15)
Level 6: Agile -- GftotA-Def:40(A), GftotA-Def/EndRdx:40(17)
Level 8: Hurdle -- Jump-I:50(A)
Level 10: Practiced Brawler -- RechRdx-I:50(A)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(17), RechRdx-I:50(19)
Level 14: Super Speed -- Zephyr-Travel:50(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:50(19), Zephyr-ResKB:50(21)
Level 16: Dodge -- GftotA-Def:40(A), GftotA-Def/EndRdx:40(21), GftotA-Def/Rchg:40(43)
Level 18: Health -- Numna-Heal:50(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(23), Mrcl-Heal:40(23), Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(29)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod/Acc:50(A), P'Shift-EndMod:50(31), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg:50(31), P'Shift-End%:50(31)
Level 22: Evasion -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(34), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(36), LkGmblr-Def:50(43)
Level 24: Knockout Blow -- Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg:50(A), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(25), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg:50(25), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx:50(27), Hectmb-Dam%:50(27), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(29)
Level 26: Aid Other -- Numna-Heal:50(A), Numna-Heal/Rchg:50(40), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg:40(40)
Level 28: Rage -- GSFC-ToHit:50(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg:50(36), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx:50(36), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx:50(37), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx:50(37), GSFC-Build%:50(37)
Level 30: Lucky -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(39), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(43)
Level 32: Foot Stomp -- Oblit-Dmg:50(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(33), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(34), Oblit-%Dam:50(34)
Level 35: Aid Self -- Mrcl-Heal:40(A), Mrcl-Heal/Rchg:40(39), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg:40(39)
Level 38: Quickness -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 41: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(42), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:50(42), Zephyr-ResKB:50(42), Zephyr-Travel:50(46)
Level 44: Electrifying Fences -- Enf'dOp-Acc/Rchg:50(A), Enf'dOp-EndRdx/Immob:50(45), Enf'dOp-Acc/EndRdx:50(45), Enf'dOp-Immob/Rng:50(45), Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob/Rchg:50(46), Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob:50(46)
Level 47: Ball Lightning -- Posi-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx:50(48), Posi-Dmg/Rchg:50(48), Posi-Dam%:50(48), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(50)
Level 49: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel:50(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:50(50), Zephyr-ResKB:50(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury

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I know how to use gaussian's, makos, touch of death, blessing of the zephr, six slotted performance shifter, obliteration's, steadfast unique and aegis to push very high positionals. I've already done so with Fire/SR

The SS/SR build I made is more for killing fast and not getting my *** handed to me. The /SR is so easy to softcap, I've put 57% global accuracy and 127% global recharge in this build. Not really shooting for overkill on positionals..this time All my /shield brutes are in that arena with set bonuses, they need it to be viable. Hell if you even NEED Elude it's back every 330ish seconds.

This is just an attempt at a VERY fast footstomp and knockout blow recharge and not gimping the secondary OR primary for it.

I like your end usage and recovery but if you need aid self on a Super Reflex then something is wrong. Why not take fighting? No Steadfast +3% def? That's a great way to push up numbers. Electrifying Fences...? the Immobilize will negate all the knockdown and Mitigation that Super Strength does, bad idea unless it's just a mule for bonuses.

One advantage of Rage with Super Reflexes is that when using Touch of Death sets to increase melee defence bonus, Rage does increase your accuracy (especially if double stacked), balancing the low accuracy in Touch of Death (equal to about one level 50 Accuracy IO bonus, compared to other melee sets with almost two equal level Accuracy SOs).

For feeling 'brutish'... just think of your character as an angry Spider-Man or something, haha. Hitting opponents and getting stronger the more he's worked up, and dodging attacks with a lightning fury.

thanks. I'm gonna keep holding off on that plan. I don't see being able to cancel the debuff as WAI and I've had enough toons I really enjoy altered to the point I start to dislike them lately.

Here is my SS/SR build and it works quite well. I can double stack rage. It hasnt been a real issue and I hace run numerous TF's with this build.


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Evenflow: Level 50 Mutation Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Super Reflexes
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Punch -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(17), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(17), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(42)
Level 1: Focused Fighting -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(3), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(3), LkGmblr-Def(5)
Level 2: Focused Senses -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(5), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(7), LkGmblr-Def(7)
Level 4: Haymaker -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(36), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(37), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(43)
Level 6: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Def(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(9), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(9), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(45)
Level 8: Knockout Blow -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(11), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(11), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(13), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(13), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(15)
Level 10: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 12: Practiced Brawler -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(15)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Jump-I(A)
Level 16: Health -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A), Numna-Heal(40), Mrcl-Rcvry+(42), Heal-I(42), RgnTis-Regen+(46), Heal-I(46)
Level 18: Rage -- GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(19), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(19), GSFC-ToHit(21), GSFC-Build%(21), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(23)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(23), EndMod-I(25), P'Shift-End%(25)
Level 22: Evasion -- LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(39), LkGmblr-Def(39), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(39)
Level 24: Boxing -- Acc-I(A)
Level 26: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg(27), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(27), RctvArm-ResDam(33), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(34), EndRdx-I(45)
Level 28: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(29), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(29), LkGmblr-Def(31), EndRdx-I(45)
Level 30: Dodge -- DefBuff-I(A), DefBuff-I(31), DefBuff-I(31)
Level 32: Foot Stomp -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(33), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Oblit-%Dam(50)
Level 35: Quickness -- Run-I(A)
Level 38: Agile -- DefBuff-I(A), DefBuff-I(40), DefBuff-I(40)
Level 41: Jab -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(46), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(48)
Level 44: Taunt -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 47: Lucky -- DefBuff-I(A), DefBuff-I(48), DefBuff-I(48)
Level 49: Elude -- HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(50), HO:Membr(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
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Set Bonus Totals:

• 5.5% DamageBuff(Smashing)
• 5.5% DamageBuff(Lethal)
• 5.5% DamageBuff(Fire)
• 5.5% DamageBuff(Cold)
• 5.5% DamageBuff(Energy)
• 5.5% DamageBuff(Negative)
• 5.5% DamageBuff(Toxic)
• 5.5% DamageBuff(Psionic)
• 7.38% Defense(Smashing)
• 7.38% Defense(Lethal)
• 4.25% Defense(Fire)
• 4.25% Defense(Cold)
• 5.5% Defense(Energy)
• 5.5% Defense(Negative)
• 3% Defense(Psionic)
• 9.88% Defense(Melee)
• 6.13% Defense(Ranged)
• 5.5% Defense(AoE)
• 73% Enhancement(Accuracy)
• 25% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
• 5% FlySpeed
• 112.4 HP (7.5%) HitPoints
• 5% JumpHeight
• 5% JumpSpeed
• MezResist(Immobilize) 9.9%
• MezResist(Stun) 2.2%
• 2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery
• 62% (3.88 HP/sec) Regeneration
• 7.5% Resistance(Psionic)
• 5% RunSpeed

I didn't mean to suggest Rage wasn't factored in but I don't think Castle is happy with Rage's current implementation and crash. Only time will tell.

Hate to sound like a sad sack, but I played a SS/SR brute to 37 over four months. It was a chore to me(Who is a known /SR addict, Blue side). For some reason, he came off as a paper bag. Winded far too quickly, defenses at about 25% in his late 30's, I may have been doing it wrong. I did not like it in the end, and so he was deleted. His 'Mother' is so going to kill me.

I have a lvl 50 SS/SR brute, and find it quite fun and pretty darn effective. The rage crash is annoying but far from deadly.

Hey hey!!!

I actually made one of this he is now 32 and I honestly dont have any complaints. My rage stacks, which wasnt hard to do after a few levels and since Virtue is kinda low on population I solo a lot and do fine.

One down side I do notice right now having to pop a green every once in awhile...but I'm sure after my full build gets in I won't have to do that. I'm going to post mine up as soon as I get home for you.

Here you go. The stealth is the a personally prefence and I'm sure the HO could be taken out for something more helpful.

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Dr. Britannia: Level 50 Science Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Super Reflexes
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Concealment
Ancillary Pool: Leviathan Mastery

Villain Profile:
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Level 1: Jab T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(9), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(15), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(33), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), T'Death-Dam%(50)
Level 1: Focused Fighting LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def(3), S'dpty-Def(3), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(13), HO:Cyto(19)
Level 2: Punch T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(7), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(17), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(36), T'Death-Dam%(42)
Level 4: Focused Senses S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(A), S'dpty-Def(5), HO:Cyto(5), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(13), LkGmblr-Def(29)
Level 6: Hasten RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(7), RechRdx-I(15)
Level 8: Haymaker Mako-Acc/Dmg(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(9), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(19), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), Mako-Dam%(42)
Level 10: Agile DefBuff-I(A), DefBuff-I(11), DefBuff-I(11)
Level 12: Hurdle Jump-I(A)
Level 14: Super Speed Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx(A), Zephyr-Travel(42), Clrty-Stlth(46)
Level 16: Dodge DefBuff-I(A), DefBuff-I(17), LkGmblr-Rchg+(25)
Level 18: Health Numna-Heal(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx(40), Heal-I(46)
Level 20: Stamina Efficacy-EndMod(A), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(21), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(21)
Level 22: Knockout Blow Hectmb-Dmg(A), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(23), Mako-Acc/Dmg(23), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx(37), Zinger-Dam%(43)
Level 24: Practiced Brawler RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(25)
Level 26: Rage GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(27), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(27), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(43), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(43), GSFC-Build%(50)
Level 28: Evasion GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), GftotA-Def(29), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(31), LkGmblr-Def(31), HO:Cyto(36)
Level 30: Combat Jumping GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), GftotA-Def(31)
Level 32: Foot Stomp Armgdn-Dmg(A), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(33), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(33), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(36), Dmg-I(40)
Level 35: Quickness Run-I(A)
Level 38: Elude RechRdx-I(A), HO:Membr(39), HO:Membr(39), HO:Membr(39), DefBuff-I(40)
Level 41: Stealth EndRdx-I(A), GftotA-Def/EndRdx(48), GftotA-EndRdx/Rchg(50)
Level 44: Spirit Shark Dev'n-Acc/Dmg(A), Dev'n-Dmg/Rchg(45), Dev'n-Dmg/EndRdx(45), Apoc-Dmg(45), Apoc-Acc/Rchg(46)
Level 47: Lucky DefBuff-I(A), DefBuff-I(48), DefBuff-I(48)
Level 49: Super Jump Jump-I(A)
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Level 1: Brawl Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
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Set Bonus Totals:
10.5% DamageBuff(Smashing)
10.5% DamageBuff(Lethal)
10.5% DamageBuff(Fire)
10.5% DamageBuff(Cold)
10.5% DamageBuff(Energy)
10.5% DamageBuff(Negative)
10.5% DamageBuff(Toxic)
10.5% DamageBuff(Psionic)
5% Defense(Smashing)
5% Defense(Lethal)
1.25% Defense(Fire)
1.25% Defense(Cold)
4.69% Defense(Energy)
4.69% Defense(Negative)
10% Defense(Melee)
9.38% Defense(Ranged)
2.5% Defense(AoE)
7.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
5% FlySpeed
168.7 HP (11.3%) HitPoints
5% JumpHeight
5% JumpSpeed
MezResist(Held) 8.8%
MezResist(Immobilize) 12.1%
18% (0.3 End/sec) Recovery
88% (5.51 HP/sec) Regeneration
5% RunSpeed