Why Do You Guys Sound American...


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....when you sing? This is something that I've always noticed for years, but just thought to actually ask some foreigners.... when Brits, Aussies, and even some from a non-English speaking background sing, they often times "lose" their accent and "sound American".

Why is this? Do any of you know? Is it by accident, or is it planned? Do they "sound American" on purpose to sell more records in America, or is it just the way the voice changes when the sounds are elongated?

Some examples:

Brits

Elton John

Spice Girls

Irish

The Corrs

U2

Aussies

Olivia Newton-John

Bee Gees


Heck even the RUSSIANS sound American when singing English: Tatu

And most of these people have pretty THICK accents when speaking...

So, can ANYONE answer to me why this happens?


 

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Simon Cowell was their voice coach?

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I dunno actually. I've always wondered this as well when listening to the likes of Led Zep, Pink Floyd, and A.C. D.C. on a Classic Rock radio station here.

Case in point for me is Brian Johnston (AC DC's lead singer) on Top Gear. I know why he's annoymous. It's because his talking voice is NOTHING like his singing voice.


 

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Yes. Your normal talking voice is quite different from your singing (or head) voice. The fact that you have to hit certain notes/tones at certain times and prolong them (or not) quite often means forgoing your accent. Of course some people will do this consciously any way while others won't worry about it and still see it happening. You see it more often nowadays as the young ones try to sound as American (and therefore, mainstream) as possible so that they can appeal to a much broader audience and thus, profit!

That being said, I've heard a lot of singers who haven't forgone their accents (case in point, the Proclaimers and their lovely, lovely Scottish accent *drool*). And if you really fine tune your ears, you can always pick up that bit of cultural background in there.


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I would walk 500 miles!

Gotta say though, really sad that Elton John and The Spice Girls are the 2 Brit choices, but the oobservation is accurate. As for why people do it, I've no idea, so will go with The Rrrrabbit on that.


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It's actually surprisingly hard to sing with an accent. People like the Proclaimers will have had to make a conscious effort to sound like they do. The vast majority of singers are busy concentrating on the lyrics and melody so as a result people singing in the same language generally sound like they have the same accent.

You could ask why Americans sound like Brits when they sing...


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Though they are undoubtedly much less popular, things opera, traditional folk songs and choral elements of classical pieces (all of which I love) are examples to the contrary.

Since a lot of contemporary musical styles can trace their origins to the United States the accent has carried over when those styles are embraced by other cultures.

I think, ultimately, the accent suits the music.


 

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It's actually surprisingly hard to sing with an accent. People like the Proclaimers will have had to make a conscious effort to sound like they do.
And The Futureheads?

*finds it hard to believe they put much effort into keeping it mackem... but that's just him*


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And The Futureheads?

*finds it hard to believe they put much effort into keeping it mackem... but that's just him*
Try it yourself Most of the time you'll find that unless you're concentrating, you'll just sing with a generic accent (Unless you're singing a song by people who're singing with an accent already).


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My assumption is that it's all due to Rock'n'Roll being imported from America!

Deep in the mists of time, Johnny Kidd and Roger Daltrey are the first names who spring to mind when I try and think of English rock singers who have an "English Rock Voice" - punk/new wave re-established English accents as rock vocals later, but I think it's probably a style/trend thing.

The English pop and rock industry aped the likes of Elvis, Pat Boone et al in the early sixties (Cliff Richard started as one of the many "British Elvis" types, and Adam Faith's early career was based on impersonating Buddy Holly's vocal style, for example).

People like Jagger and Lennon are kind of mid-Atlantic, I guess, which is only to be expected, given their influences, which also explains why Ray Davies and Steve Marriot could sing like Americans on bluesy/rock songs, but slip into very English on non-traditional numbers.

From your examples, Westley, I'd probably go with the Corrs and ONJ drawing their style from Country, and the Bee Gees started out in the tradition of US vocal harmony groups. U2 have always aspired to be stadium rockers, but Bono and Elton John have both become much more "TransAtlantic" in their phrasing and accent as they've become older and settled more snugly into the American genre.

It's all a part of the homogenization of mainstream rock and pop. The "MOR"ing of international pop has an American accent, I'm afraid - it's what the Spice Girls were told to do when they were created, and it's just gone on and on from there. English used to be a common accent for rock and pop (Noddy Holder! Suggs! Ian Dury!) but is much less so in the mainstream now, not least because these days Simon Cowell has everyone singing power ballads, which means likes of Leona Lewis and Alexandra Burke all have to sound like Mariah Carey


 

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Leona and Alexandra fail though. Not at sounding like Mariah Carey, just in general.


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Simon Cowell has everyone singing power ballads,
That man's death will enrich all of humanity.


 

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That man's death will enrich all of humanity.
Particularly his next of kin.


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Particularly his next of kin.

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I would suggest it's more to do with what European exports actually become popular in the US, than to do with how all European singers sound.

Pop singers here frequently talk about "cracking the US" - most of the home-grown stuff that's popular here in the UK, no one's even heard of in the US. On the other hand, US stuff tends to be popular both sides of the Atlantic. So artists Americanise or genericise themselves (in both accent and content) in an attempt to crack the US market - and that's what you end up hearing. No real insult intended to the artists in question, it makes sense that if you want to sell on a global market, you don't want to sing about cultural references that probably won't make sense to people outside of your area, and you don't want to do it in an accent that people either won't understand or think sounds funny.

Some of it is probably also to do with (over)production techniques used in popular music. And some is probably just down to personal style and choice.

There's plenty of stuff over here, generally the less poppy hip-hop end of things, where you can hear UK accents. The more rock-sounding phase we went through recently over here in popular music not only resulted in generalised UK accents, but even regional ones, being heard in pop music.

Likewise, why does most popular US music not really feature southern or western US accents? Why do country singers always try to sound like they're from the mid-western US, even if they're from a different country?


 

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That man's death will enrich all of humanity.
It will also allow more evil into the charts than an Al Kieda suggestion box.

Have you *heard* some of the people singing who get all offended when he says 'You suck'?
And then their pushy mothers come on, insulting him and saying he's wrong...
Some people who think they are Gods gift to music need a good slapping. Honestly.

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Likewise, why does most popular US music not really feature southern or western US accents? Why do country singers always try to sound like they're from the mid-western US, even if they're from a different country?
You don't even have to go to COUNTRY music to hear southerners "losing their accent". I can give you one PRIME example off the top of my head: 3 Doors Down.

You can hear a BIT of the lilt in their music, but honestly NOT as much as it actually exists in their speaking voices.

Proof: "If I Could Be Like That" The accent is THERE for sure, but is still relatively light.

Now listen to them speaking in this interview.


 

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Have you *heard* some of the people singing who get all offended when he says 'You suck'?
Only a handful, I fell out of love with television a long time ago.
But in any case, you don't need to be Simon.C to tell these people that they are hopeless. I'm sure anyone with even a shred of taste can do the same.

I simply refuse to believe that we must tolerate one abysmal sector of humanity simply because it helps counter another equally abysmal part.

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Its been a long long time since Olivia Newton-John or Bee Gees were considered an Australian band ...
They both have spent more of thier musical careers/lives in US it's no spurise they sound something like American more than Australian.

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I would suggest it's more to do with what European exports actually become popular in the US, than to do with how all European singers sound
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I've lived in the deep south my whole life. Odd thing is, my accent isn't that strong.
Unless I'm singing, then no matter what, my voice always conjurs up the most campy country twang imaginable!

Even when it's church songs. Heck, I even make White Zombie sound southern...


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I don't get it. No one has yet replied: "No, we don't all sound American, you lot sound English."

Actually, there's something to Bindweed's comment. Certainly when 'Rock and Roll' initially started moving over here from the US, the performers made an effort to have it sound like American music, because that was what sold. The best example I can think of is Cliff Richard. You just have to see some of the early, black-and-white footage of him doing his stuff to see where the influence comes from. He's even acting like Elvis, complete with the lip thing.

Beyond that, I strongly believe that most singers who move into a more international market end up with a horribly generic, Ameri-Euro-World-English sound. I'm sitting hear in America, I've spent a week listening to accents from all over, and believe me, none of the American singers I can think of sound like the people who are speaking over here.

The real question would be "why do all singers end up sounding the same" not "why do they sound American."


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I don't get it. No one has yet replied: "No, we don't all sound American, you lot sound English."
I was going to say that, but you beat me to it

What do all of you guys sound like when you sing karaoke? Do you try to imitate the artist who did the original song, do you sing in your own voice, or is there a singer in your vocal range that you always tend to sound like?

When I sing karaoke solo I tend to stick with either Tom Jones, Frank Sinatra or Robbie Williams tracks, as I don't struggle to reach any notes in their vocal ranges. Plus I like their music (not my favourites though), most karaokes have at least a few of their tracks (usually lots) and I know most of their hits by heart without needing the teleprompter, which helps. I don't consciously try to mimic them, but I've been consistently told over the years that I do sound a lot like one of those three - big Tom - which is ironic, because my speaking voice is certainly nothing like his, I have no Welsh relatives (well, a couple by marriage, none by blood), and I sound nothing like him inside my head when I'm singing. Sadly it also doesn't translate into women throwing their underwear at me either


 

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Sadly it also doesn't translate into women throwing their underwear at me either
You realise that's only a nice thought when it's like a thong or something. If we're talking Brigit Jones control pants...


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You realise that's only a nice thought when it's like a thong or something. If we're talking Brigit Jones control pants...
Mmmm big bloomers...

Oh, did I say that out loud?