Caemgen's Commission Corner

She turned out good, Caemgen!! MERRY HO HO!!!

More arts! This time by Tim Kelly http://timkelly.deviantart.com/ His stuff is a bit offbeat, reminds me of the old Maxx cartoons on MTV... Anyway, here's his takes on my characters...







Ok, ok... he forgot to change the black dots on Fenian's bandana into shamrocks but I think I can live with that considering how much I love these

the style is different but I really like is fun

Those are kool, Caemgen!! Who is doing the coloring???

He's got an interesting style. I wonder what he'll come up for my requests.

Wow some great new additions Caemgen.
Those inks by Tim Kelly have a cool exaggerated (almost caricature) grungy look to them and some of the details make me chuckle, like Alpha's jets puffing out little cute clouds, hah love it. I've drawn stuff similar to that in the past just for fun but didn't think anything about making it it's own style, it looks like TK has done just that and with great success.

The trio by studio has a real cool comic art look to it and the poses are well executed and bonus it looks like Caemgens nose isn't human though it's too small to be sure (there is something not quite right with one of Caemgen's horns though). I am curious though that Daybreaker Alpha and Caemgen appear to have the same power FX on them... thought they were different sets or perhaps this is one of those artists you mentioned that is not familiar with CoH?

The real standout to me in this recent batch is Denby's Fenian (thought his alpha kicks a$$ too). The bolero is well done (almost hints at dragon wings) but her face is what really grabs my attention, exceptional work.
I put him on my watch now as well. Cool find.

P.S. Not to get ahead of the thread here but I went ahead and checked out his DA and he has another piece done of yours already of Caemgen and it totally made me LoL that the way he puts his row of "done" thumbnails right next to the recipients pic makes it look like my pencil sketch and his colored piece are staring each other down hahaha.

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CR - I wanna respond to a bunch of things ya just said up there but I'm on the mobile while at work right now and it's not the best way to do lengthy posts which include diagrams, pie charts and power point presentations so I'll save the lengthy response for when I get home...

As for powersets... Alpha, Caemgen and Fenian were all originally dark/dark... Alpha a tank and the others scrappers. Cae and Fen both hit 50 and the new Fen (lass instead of girl) is elec/SReflex. Once she is done I am sure I'll move on to a second Cae (probably Kaemgen) with different powersets...

But, as far as the pic... I provided an example of what I was looking for which had the three all using powers... But I'm pretty sure the Alpha I used was a peacebringer version... I'll have to double check... The boots on my example should tell me, main alpha has rocket boots, PB not do much.

Actually just check, must have been PB Alpha...

So while I have a dark/darl of each, the reference shots for the studio pic were from 3 different powersets...

Anyway, this is getting lengthier than intended and I have more to say on that pic later so that's all for now...

Ok, was several things in here I wanted to comment on so I'll do it bit by bit...

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Originally Posted by ChristopherRobin Wow some great new additions Caemgen.

Thanks!

Some are more hit, some maybe a tad more on the miss side, but there's not one I don't really like for one aspect or another.

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Those inks by Tim Kelly have a cool exaggerated (almost caricature) grungy look to them and some of the details make me chuckle, like Alpha's jets puffing out little cute clouds, hah love it. I've drawn stuff similar to that in the past just for fun but didn't think anything about making it it's own style, it looks like TK has done just that and with great success.

Yeah, I definitely love the little puffs of smoke... Reminds me the early days of Alpha's being able to fly when it felt all he was doing was puttering through the sky!

But yeah, I definitely like the grungy/caricature type look here, especially how he applied it to my characters. Like I said, his work kind of reminds me of the old The Maxx cartoons... One sec while I see if I can find some examples...

Nope, can't find any good images I can just set in here but I have links!
http://www.oldmanmusings.com/2005/12/03/the-maxx/ brings you to a page about The Maxx and has a bunch of pictures from it...

http://timkelly.deviantart.com/art/The-Maxx-Mr-Gone-and-an-Isz-90104851 Apparently Tim Kelly has done some Maxx art before for someone...

http://wya.deviantart.com/art/1995-MAXX-102645846 Another DA artists take on Maxx

http://spasmaticgonads.deviantart.com/art/The-Maxx-6261053 yet another one, this one containing hundreds of Isz... I loved those little beasties!

Anyway, to me at least, the art of The Maxx was more about just having the right mood and feel for the characters without worrying overly much on silly things like anatomy, consistancy and such It was rough yet skilled art... Eh, I'm not an art critic and cannot describe it all that well but I always thought it was very cool... And when I stumbled upon TimKelly and saw how much his stuff reminded me of that I had to grab some no matter he's not doing typical "superhero" arts.

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The trio by studio has a real cool comic art look to it and the poses are well executed and bonus it looks like Caemgens nose isn't human though it's too small to be sure (there is something not quite right with one of Caemgen's horns though). I am curious though that Daybreaker Alpha and Caemgen appear to have the same power FX on them... thought they were different sets or perhaps this is one of those artists you mentioned that is not familiar with CoH?

Did I mention something about people not familiar with CoH? I do not recall... I have no problem with those who aren't at all, that's for sure. I already went on about the powersets but I often think little of the powersets when it comes to the arts... How my characters would be ideally in my head and how the powersets let them be aren't really all that similiar so I have no problems with artists not taking CoH powersets or poses into mind when doing the arts... (I will admit though that Electric Melee for Fen's primary is winning me over...)

As for the StudioCultComics piece specifically...

I wanted a piece featuring my trio all together, studiocultcomics came on my radar, they were priced nicely and so I jumped When I contacted them I told them I wanted a pic of my 3 mains and provided them with the following image telling them I wanted something like this but obviously much better done and cooler And of course gave them reference shots...





I told them I wanted Alpha in the center, kind of powering for battle, and the other two on either side, almost partly using Alpha as a shield, while attacking unseen enemies around them.

Generally I really like the piece they turned out. I do think a few things could be a bit better (yeah, his horns are lopsided I think... if they went with one curve or the other it would be ok but it seems each has it's own curve.) but overall I like it.

One thing I missed was that Caemgen should really be kind of facing the other way. My idea was the three kind of creating a semi circle to face off against the oncoming horde but Caemgen instead looks to be heading more over to Fenian's side than defending his own. I should have caught that when they sent me the initial sketch so I take blame for that... Note to self - Check sketches out on real monitor, never ok based on just seeing on your iPhone!

But despite those two things I still think this is a pretty solid piece, and definitely more in the classical superhero genre than some of my other recent acquisitions...

As for Cae's nose... Heh, you have a thing about that! I actually touched on the topic in Foo's art thread so go read it there if you want my commentary on that, this is already getting too long here...

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The real standout to me in this recent batch is Denby's Fenian (thought his alpha kicks a$$ too). The bolero is well done (almost hints at dragon wings) but her face is what really grabs my attention, exceptional work.

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I put him on my watch now as well. Cool find.

Yes, that is one of my most favorite... That and the loish piece, but for different reasons. Denby's Fen, I think, does a great job of showing that she's more cute than beautiful and I love the look on her face, though I can't exactly describe it... Innocent, confused, wonder, a mix of a bunch of stuff? *shrug* And I just absolutely love the cape tails...

I don't think I can take credit for him as my find but I'm happy to be the one who brought him to you But yeah, like I think I said previously in this thread, I like to occasionally just surf from peoples favorites to favorites, going further and further out trying to find people who aren't totally on the radar for this kind of superhero art...

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P.S. Not to get ahead of the thread here but I went ahead and checked out his DA and he has another piece done of yours already of Caemgen and it totally made me LoL that the way he puts his row of "done" thumbnails right next to the recipients pic makes it look like my pencil sketch and his colored piece are staring each other down hahaha.

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Oh, this piece?



That came in like a day or two after the others. Was sitting in my Art folder waiting to be resized for showing here, uploaded to dA, etc... Guess I kind of got sidetracked.

He asked a bit about each characters personality before doing the arts and I mentioned to him that While Cae looks like a demon he's not and that truthfully he's more the shy, reserved, homebody type and only results to the whole "demon stalker" kind of mode when neccessary. I guess lukedenby went with the more shy side. I could almost see Cae reading a book in that pose... And there should at least have been an outline of a rock he's sitting on, he looks a bit uncomfortable hovering like that

Oh, and speaking of noses... He actually asked me if Cae's nose should be more normal or more beastly as seen in the sketch you did. I told him more beastly, definitely... That you're sketch had it dead on... *shrug* I guess even when they know they still can't get it right.

Still, can't be too upset... I think he did a great job on most other details... I really like what he did on the shoulder pads. Hard to see if you don't have the image large enough but he did a pretty good job on the detail work there...


Ah well, I've done my babbling on my arts for now... lol. I guess your comments gave me a chance to express a few thought that'd been running through my head anyways.

Neither, just giving you a cyber punch in the nose! MUAHAHAHAHAAAA

Heh. Renting.

Well I can try and show you what I see when I look at Caemgen horns in that trio piece
and maybe it will help clarify things or make it easier for future artists...
or maybe it will just make me look elitist and picky lol.



What I see as amiss in the piece is twofold. First the shape of the horns themselves and second the position
of Caemgen's head relevant to the position of the horns. If you picture the horns as one continuous bar going
through the skull then it appears they used the generic upside down "U" shape horns only the skull is slid much
too far to the left on the bar like this.


Morbid horns are much more complex than that, if you also picture them as being one continuous piece
going through the skull, the lower curvature of the horns (near the tips) is almost like a ellipse or ring shape
while the upper curvature is a bit like a wavy letter "M" that sits atop the ring, and so should look more like this.


Don't know if the "M sitting atop the ring" accurately conveys what I'm describing but hopefully the pics
help and maybe gives anyone one else struggling with the shape of these another way of looking at them.

Other than the few details mentioned (like Caemgen looking in the opposite direction from what you wanted) this
is a really solid piece that showcases your trio of mains nicely and should look awesome when/if you choose to get it colored.

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Originally Posted by Bayani Heh. Renting.

It's funny to me that Bayani finds this funny heh.

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Don't get me wrong, I really like the Trio pic... My nitpics were just that. I find it helpful to occasionally focus on what I don't like so I know what to look for and emphasize in the future...

In fact I have no problem at all if anyone ever wants to criticise or point out flaws in my future (or past) arts... I probably noticed already but others commentary may just give me the phrasing I need to better explain what I want / am looking for in the future...

Point in fact, I think I'm going to be swiping CR's horn sketch above to put in Cae's references... It'll be much easier to point to that and say that's how the horns should look than to try to say they're not curved right or are angled wrong...

Another Luke Denby piece on Fenian... http://lukedenby.deviantart.com/

When I first commissioned him to do my trio he sent me two Fenian sketches to choose between - Both were so grat I had to hire him to do them both! The first one is already posted up above somewhere, here's the second one...



(also got him to do an Alpha out of his armor, that should be coming soon..)

And here is my final (at least for now) piece from Luke Denby - Daybreaker Alpha outside the armor...





I also reposted the In Armor pic because I really like how the poses are almost mirrored from each other...

The full sized pic will be up on my dA page in a minute or three, may be worth looking at there to really see the detail he put into the bionics... Which I think came out great - High tech but not too high tech. He got the arm and the leg about 20 years back so there's no way they'd be space age but they were made by Crey so it fits they are cutting edge for the time

My only nitpicks are on the white stripe and bionic eye - They should be on the right side instead of the left... That's my bad though - I didn't catch the goof on the draft he sent me Still, not a major enough issue for me to not love the pic.

Surfing around I happened to find androsm on Deviant Art and was lucky enough to find him in time to snag one of his commissions! He does the line art and blewh does the colors...

I'm not 100% certain this is the absolute final version - Sounded like it but I think there was just enough of a language issue to make me a tad unsure... Anyway, I couldn't wait to show this one off...

Full sized version will be thrown up on dA once I know it's the final final version And if you're not watching androsm & blewh yet go to http://androsm.deviantart.com/ and http://blewh.deviantart.com/ to add them to your watch list!! NOI!!!

Wow - Congratulations on a great piece and addition to your collection! This just rocks!

Very nice piece - congrats!!