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Lol it's just me noticing stuff again... in this case the prices of Caemgen Comics up in the corner of your Fenian piece. Even taking into account the exchange rate CAD vs USD Canadian's are being overcharged for the same exact thing. |
Originally Posted by Caemgen
Hmmm, never was sure just how CR's last comment applied but....
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I guess only someone who's traveled outside their home country a lot like I have or who thinks of money exchange rates would've picked up on that... if they had noticed the prices were different in the first place... nevermind. 
What makes art for an individual is such a subjective thing and there aren't good classes of designation for machine assisted versus hand drawn (that contest on ZAM asked for "hand drawn" but got many digital pieces for example) and now with tablets and digital pens, technically you can say work done in photoshop is also "hand drawn". Or for collaborative vs solo creation (precious few artists actually create all their own tools or models) so most things could technically be called a collaboration and lets face it, if there were any good lines to delineate such things artists would be pushing the boundaries to blur the lines all the time.
Essentially it comes down to a judgment call, what is art to one may not be to another. Is poser work true art? A case can be made for both sides but I would say it comes down to how you use it. There are many shades of gray here but several factors I think are relevant such as...
To what extent an artist is having to make decisions and choices vs. having it pre-made for him comes into play... also quality of the work (anyone can apply paint to a canvas but it doesn't automatically make it art) is a factor and skill on the artists part but it's more than that.
Complexity is also a factor for when a thing is so complex that while it's technically possible for someone else to recreate it the chances are next to nill. For example when an animator creates a scene say for the matrix they often times are using custom tools made inhouse and rendering a thing that is incredibly complex... could another animator at a different studio create the same scene? They might get close but there are so many thousands of little decisions made and intricacies imbued that it's virtually impossible. Furthermore you can also often times recognize which animation house or even which animator is doing the work (look at Zoic for Firefly/Serenity for example... or show people a movie like Toy Story or Finding Nemo and they will recognize it's done by Pixar) which to me means there is art happening on some level.
That brings me to a seldom mentioned factor (probably because it opens a huge can of worms
)... duplication. Duplicative ability is a factor for me as well and it's why creating stuff in poser using just what is available in the software is not "true" art for me anymore than designing a hero in the CC is... if someone else can come along and arrange the same pieces and create the exact same character exactly the same (identical detail) as you have then you haven't really created art I would say. Before anyone objects and says their original character is their own creation and a work of art I would say that the OC itself is a thing that can and often does exist on it's own outside the game (many people have remade characters that long predate this game) you are just using the City of Heroes premade engine to express it visually... and so you can go kick some butt with it. 
When you can do something unique with the tools that no one else can (like creating your own unique mods to make your character a new unduplicatable creation in the CC or painting over poser models in photoshop) come along and duplicate exactly then you are coming up more to the level of collaboration and at some point when you have enough skill that you can create most all of the elements in a piece yourself (light, color, composition, value, accurate figure anatomy) and only use poser or the CC as a basic visual reference or for consistency (i.e. her cape, when there is no wind, comes down to the back of her knees and not her ankles) you are coming up to the level of what I would call true art.
Is poser true art? Most of it that I've seen I would say is not. When you use a program to render a characters hands knowing full well that the program will render them incorrectly every single time (but you don't have the skill to improve upon them at all) then something is lacking. While saying "true art" may sound snobbish, for lack of a better term, poser work won't be true art for me until the person working with it can use their own skills to compensate for all the inherent flaws (fake eyes, plastic-y fingers, deformed joints, unrealistic textures, ropey hair that defies gravity etc)... basically when I can no longer tell (or barely tell) it was created in poser just by looking at it. So far no one has done it yet but the skilled poser users are getting closer all the time.
I'm really rushed here (clients waiting) so I may not be expressing things as clearly as I would like but hopefully this adds something meaningful to the discussion or at least gives people some food for thought. Cheers
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ahhhhh. So you're assuming this is a recent issue instead of one from like 20 years ago when the Canadian dollar was worth like 60 cents American... |
Originally Posted by ChristopherRobin
[color=darkorange][B][size=3][font=Palatino Linotype] Lol it's just me noticing stuff again... in this case the prices of Caemgen Comics up in the corner of your Fenian piece. Even taking into account the exchange rate CAD vs USD Canadian's are being overcharged for the same exact thing.
I guess only someone who's traveled outside their home country a lot like I have or who thinks of money exchange rates would've picked up on that... if they had noticed the prices were different in the first place... nevermind. |
Well yeah... the Carnival of Shadows didn't exist 20 years ago.
You're silly facts will not work here!
Newest piece is by Nojitsu... Unfortunately her real life interrupted when she was supposed to do some contest prizes but she's back and active on DA so I grabbed her for a couple of more Classic Nojitsu style pieces - This is the first of them
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Newest piece is by Nojitsu... Unfortunately her real life interrupted when she was supposed to do some contest prizes but she's back and active on DA so I grabbed her for a couple of more Classic Nojitsu style pieces - This is the first of them
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That reminds me we were supposed to have an art trade but she got caught up in some other projects and didn't have time back then...
Never seen her stuff but I certainly love her arts!
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Nice pic, cute pose. She did nice work on that.
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Originally Posted by Caemgen
Newest piece is by Nojitsu... Unfortunately her real life interrupted when she was supposed to do some contest prizes but she's back and active on DA so I grabbed her for a couple of more Classic Nojitsu style pieces - This is the first of them
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Originally Posted by Caemgen
ahhhhh. So you're assuming this is a recent issue instead of one from like 20 years ago when the Canadian dollar was worth like 60 cents American...
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In my indefatigable hunt for the correct reference for the wee corner comic publisher logo thing, I fell upon a copy of Excalibur #36 from April 1991 and just imitated the badge, including prices, using PhotoPaint (10 years old but still better than CS2 for many things ).Heaping coincidence upon the whole affair is my just-this-minute discovery that Excalibur #36 was printed in Canada.
The artist of this latest commission requests to stay anonymous A couple of others are in the works but this is the first artwork of my latest favorite version of Fenian... Fenian Wolf. She's the sole surviving clone of Unrepentant Fenian's (the evil Fen) run in with Protean. Unfortunately for her, her powers were temporary... Unwilling to give up the thrill of such power though, she weaseled her way into becoming a Soldier of Arachnos until she could get the skills (and armor) she needed to escape and turn into the hero she longs to be...
*promptly files boredom lawsuit against spikey headed guy for pre-emptively drawing his drawing (it's totally like a krime an' stuffz)*
All the parts are immediately recognizable, some nice work there buddy.
One question though is that an eyeslit in the front of the helmet or just a shading line that came out too dark?
I believe it's a totally enclosed helmet with somekind of H.U.D. inside and no way to look out of it.
Oh my.
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Trust me, putting the version you do next to this one and nobody would believe they're of the same subject matter... |
Originally Posted by ChristopherRobin
*promptly files boredom lawsuit against spikey headed guy for pre-emptively drawing his drawing (it's totally like a krime an' stuffz)*
All the parts are immediately recognizable, some nice work there buddy. One question though is that an eyeslit in the front of the helmet or just a shading line that came out too dark? I believe it's a totally enclosed helmet with somekind of H.U.D. inside and no way to look out of it. |
And I'm sure I have no way of knowing the answer to your question... But I'd assume both - A shading line that came out too dark but since it was in a coincidental spot no effort was made to blend it away or anything.
I also assume it's supposed to be an enclosed helmet - I believe the lights on the side are the sensors that gather data to create whatever HUD allows the wearer to see, what with spiders also having four pairs of eyes and there being 8 lights...
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Oh my.
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No, mine!! My art!!
Newest newest piece is by Nojitsu. Sorry if image comes out mega huge or mega small, doing this via cell phone and will fix when I get home if need be...
Anyway, this is another pic of Fenian Wolf. She's my Arachnos Soldier (clone of Fenian's magically created doppelgänger Unrepentant Fenian - Love those comic book plot lines!) She usually has on a bit more armor than this but, errrr, it was a warm day? (she's actually the perv of the trio, compensating for having no real powers I presume ..)
Fenian Wolf turned out quite sexeh, Caemgen!! Gratzzz!!
ps: Your "self" portrait cracks me up!! 
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My anonymous artist was flipping through some of the old threads and remembered Suichiro's Minimal Effort thread and felt left out they didn't participate back when it was active... But they finally have corrected that!
(I would have posted them in that thread for my Anonymous Artist but thread necrotism is bad and the Mod's scare me...)
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Originally Posted by Pyro_Nympho
Effin' sick.
Overall: Perfectly Effin' Sick Love it! Weed's lines and Swanzy's color...one of your best grabs, and probably my fav so far. |
Totally amazing piece, Caemgen!!
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Stunning, lovin' the lines and the gloom!
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Bindweed does some amazing stuff and I don't even think I need to say how kick-#$$ I think Eddy is. More great art as usual Caem, grats on the new acquisition!
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I like what y... the anonymous artist did with the last two Caemgen and Alpha came out good but the Fenian one doesn't really have anything about it that says Fenian. Nothing particularly feminine either it could be her or it could be some wizard with a hood up or a ninja, ya know? Needs something a bit more... maybe the cloverleafs around the hood trim or a female looking profile?|
Originally Posted by Caemgen
My anonymous artist was flipping through some of the old threads and remembered Suichiro's Minimal Effort thread and felt left out they didn't participate back when it was active... But they finally have corrected that!
(I would have posted them in that thread for my Anonymous Artist but thread necrotism is bad and the Mod's scare me...) [CENTER] |
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Originally Posted by Caemgen
Hmmmm, what could possibly make these lines even cooler???? Oh yeah!! Some Eddy Swan color magic, of course!!!! |
Thanks all... And I agree, Bindweed and Swanzie are like a Reese Cup... Both great alone but get that peanut butter and chocolate together and yowza!! I have never seen Caemgen looking like such a Bad....errrr Bum? But I think he looks amazing here!! Great job by both Bindy and Swanzy....
CR - They initially intended to add the shamrocks around the trim but they just weren't coming out right. And since they planned on adding some flats in Paint they assumed the colors would give it that identity it was lacking... Alas, either the scan wasn't tight enough or the paper not white enough, the fill bucket wouldn't properly fill so the artist just gave up before messing them up further But ya... As is it does not immediately scream Fenian.
The Alpha one, imo, is fine... Not great, not bad, just fine. Needs some zip to be really good, they may give that one another go.
I relly like how the Caemgen one came out though. The horn definitely could be better but it's passible... bit I really like how the hair (and goatee) really define him. I'm suprised how good I think that one came out.
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Originally Posted by Caemgen
................ I'm suprised how good I think that one came out.
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And I am absolutely LOVING the latest from isikol - This one features the three versions of Fenian.
Fenian - The one we all know and love The Hero. A slightly seedy past but she's always had that heart of gold...
Unrepentant Fenian - The "evil" Fenian. She was created when Fenian's first major attempt at casting a real spell went... wrong. After a bunch of lightning, clouds, smoke, dust and coughing, Fenian walked away from the failed attempt chagrined but determined to carry on and make her way to Paragon... Meanwhile, the Fenian who would one day become Unrepentant Fenian walked away in the opposite direction, fed up with it all, and determined to make a name for herself... Perhaps in the Rogue Isles.
Fenian Wolf - Over there in the Isles, UF had a brief run in with Protean and a cloning factory. One clone survived. One flawed clone. At first birth this Fenian had all the natural and innate magical abilities of the other two but the faded away quicker than a rainbow... Fenian Wolf carried a mix of memories from both Fenians... from birth up until her own creation. She felt a kinship, a bond, a love for them both but she most yearned for the life of a hero. Without powers, however, she would need training. And weapons. Fenian Wolf managed through very questionable means to get enrolled in Arachnos bootcamp and soon was training to be a Soldier of Arachnos. Once she felt she was fully trained, and at the first opportunity, she went AWOL with her Bane Soldier armor and her Mace. Now Fenian Wolf is determined to make it on the streets of Paragon and be recognized as a hero in her own right... (and to party it up in the Isles when she gets the chance. The Isles have MUCH better parties!) And finally, she hopes one day to bring he sisters together... one day.
Yeah, like you care about all that... I know, I know - You wnat the art already!! fine, here ya go
Art is in the EYE of the beholder...
~*~VexXxa~*~
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