An oddity of Physical Perfection

I got to thinking about how Physical Perfection works, with its set capabilities, and it occured to me to try something out. Apologies if this is old news, but the results were ... certainly interesting.

I took a Miracle unique, a Numina's Convalescence unique, and three common Endurance Modification enhancers, and tried to see how much endurance I could get out of them. With this fairly standard slotting:
I get these results, for Recovery:

Whereas with this slightly more unorthodox slotting:
I am able to get these results:

Now, here's the reason for this. The heal uniques, and other 120 second boost IOs, actually work by adding their effects to the power itself. So, those effects are considered to be in the power that the IOs are slotted in, and are granted as the power takes effect. And most significantly, those effects are enhanceable.

For example, Health is worth 40% Regen, or (practically) 80% when slotted. A Regenerative Tissue plus a Numina's Convalescence are, together, worth 40% Regen. A slotted Health that has those uniques in it gives 160% regen, not 120%, because that enhancing is applying to the 40% Regen given by the IOs as well as that given by Health.

In Physical Perfection, as you see here, the IO effects are being added into the power. And thus, the Endurance Modification enhancements in Physical Perfection are boosting the +Recovery of the IOs as well. 25% from the IOs, plus 12.5% from the power itself, times (essentially) 2 for the EndMod enhancing, equals +75% Recovery - the same as the 25% from the IOs added to the 50% from slotted Stamina.

Now, there are certainly benefits to using Fitness aside from just the recovery boosts. Regen can be very handy for a lot of sets, especially Shields and SR. Movement boosts are always nice. The ability to get an Efficacy Adapter set in Stamina for recharge. Or, hell, just to have +Recovery before 44 or if you want one of the other epics. And there's certainly incentive to take both, for some powersets. But if you don't care about other epics and don't plan on exemping down below 39 ... well. Something to keep in the back of your head, perhaps.

Oh, and as best as I can recall, the only other powers that will both let you slot heal Uniques and let you enhance for EndMod are Transfusion in Kinetics and Energy Drain in Energy Aura, and those sets don't need any help keeping their blue up. So there's not much general use for this trick outside of this power.

Saist, in both of your last screenshots, your regeneration rate is a steady .17%/sec (which translates into different amounts of actual hp/sec as seen in your pictures). Also seen in both pictures: your recovery rate was .17%/second.

Now look at Hippy's 2 combat monitor screenshots. In the 1st, it's .17%/sec just like yours. In the 2nd, it's .35%/second. Whether or not his base End is higher or not (and it's most certainly not double standard), the % increase has doubled. Likewise, his Miracle +Recov has gone up from .25%/sec to .5%/sec. Odd.

However, I'm thinking this just means Physical Perfection works like 2 powers and any power that can be slotted in one aspect (the regen and the recov) to affect the other affects both. i.e. You doubled your number of unique procs. In which case, it's likely a bug and will get fixed before we can have too much fun with it.

I am pretty sure the Regenerative Tissue +regen and Numina's +regen increase the value of +regen with slotting of the power as well. What you are observing seems to be simply the same type of behavior, but now with the +recovery procs instead of (or acutally in addition to) the +regen. You could check your +regen values as well to see if the behavior is consistent.

OTOH, did you zone recently before taking the 2nd screenshot?

So far as I know, working as designed, known behavior, has always been that way. That's not to say that the devs won't some day change their minds, but I wouldn't be afraid to take advantage of this. I'm pretty confident that it isn't considered an exploit.

WAD, but I somehow doubt WAI. Use it, abuse it, and enjoy it for as long as it lasts.

We've actually known this for a long time (aka since the power came out on test) since as StratoNexus mentioned, the +regin procs have the same behaviour

alright i've read this thread, and i'm lost, my screen is too small to see the screens posted lol.

So is pp good, bad, proc food, or what?

Thanks for pointing this out. I didn't realize it would be better to slot a Miriacle +rec in PP rather than health to get twice as much +rec.

I think on the regen side, there's not a big differerence in gameplay between enhanceing your procs and not... but on the endurance side, this could be significant. I like it.

I don't know. It depends on how much regen you have natively, and how good your non-regen/healing mitigation is. Both +regen uniques is basically adding unslotted health again (actually a little better than that). Getting them both fully enhanced slightly better than getting slotted Health twice. I find it pretty handy on the right types of characters.

But if your build already has better ways to get back HP, then I agree, it might be more useful to throw the capability at endurance instead. I can especially see this being useful if you're going for something like AV/pylon/hard target soloing, where net recovery can be fairly important.