Badge idea- possibly a bad one?

We, the ebil marketers, were trying to come up with ways to lure people into destroying their influence. There really aren't enough inf sinks in the game.

It occurred to someone that there are badges for MAKING inf, but no badges for SPENDING inf.

The suggestion (with my tweaks) was four badges: "ex-millionaire" (costs 1 million inf), "ex-multimillionaire" (30 million inf), "ex-billionaire" (costs a billion inf) and "inf cap" (costs 2 billion influence, comes with a costume piece.)

Given that the process of getting defeat badges, heal badges, damage badges, etc., produces a tremendous amount of level 50 play...
Given that there are badges for MAKING up to 2 billion influence, not counting recipe sales and whatnot...

would these badges cause an unwarranted financial burden on the badging community? Or would they be welcomed and celebrated, because MOAR BADGES ?

are you talking about paying for a badge?
if so there are a few in the winter event to buy and one in AE you can buy

The inf badges no longer go up to the cap (2 billion), but are now finished with 500 million.

I, for one, wouldn't mind paying a million inf for a badge, or even as much as 10 million, but anything beyond that tick me off the way that 10,000 test enemy kills did in the MA when Issue 14 came out.

I don't like playing the market for inf, and I don't like farming; I certainly don't like the idea of losing 2 billion inf.

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For some reason I got to an old version of the Paragon Wiki which still listed "Trillionaire" as 2,000,000,000 inf.

I'm going to go work some numbers on how much wealth someone with Leader "should" have and see if the squanderer badges should be reduced. My goal would be that if you have the top inf-made badge, somewhere around 1/4 of that total influence would go to the top inf-burnt badge. Let me clarify: when you go out and make "100 million inf" according to the badge, your net worth should go up by a lot more than that- you're getting vendor recipes, you're getting valuable rare recipes, you're potentially getting purples, etc.

Does that sound reasonable? High? Low?

EDITED: Looks like TopDoc, farming 50's, was making almost 20 inf profit for every actual inf dropped. Half of that was purples, which you probably aren't getting while doing badgery. If we assume half of the remainder was from aggressively marketing his stuff, the "Leader" badge should get you something like 2.5 billion inf.

So taking out the "Inf cap" badge and replacing it with something like "Big Spender" should work.

We've butted heads before (and will likely do so again), but I have to disagree with the methodology for determining numbers.

Issues I have with the proposal:
* It isn't backwards compatible. (Ie, no credit for past actions.) This may have been a good suggestion 4-5 years ago.
* It is market-centric, meaning that if you are that active with the market you'll get the badges nearly instantly, but those that are not are at a distinct disadvantage.
* This suggestion flies in the face of the developer's goal to avoid "grindy" badges and those needing farming.
* It really isn't needed. You could achieve the same goal (inf destruction) if the sales fees on sold items (not the placement fees, but the after sale processing fee) counted for the Inf badges.

This last point is crucial: It does what you want without the need to create more badges. This has the added benefit in that it doesn't require people to "start from scratch" or requiring the developers to track another stat.

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You're right, it is indeed, a bad idea.

I applaud you for trying again, Fulmens.

OK, I have, as you suggested, re-read the OP.

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Originally Posted by Fulmens The suggestion (with my tweaks) was four badges: "ex-millionaire" (costs 1 million inf), "ex-multimillionaire" (30 million inf), "ex-billionaire" (costs a billion inf) and "inf cap" (costs 2 billion influence, comes with a costume piece.)

COSTS 1 million inf, COSTS a billion inf, COSTS 2 billion inf. As in "This badge costs X inf to buy", NOT "This badge is earned by spending X inf over time".

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Given that the process of getting defeat badges, heal badges, damage badges, etc., produces a tremendous amount of level 50 play... Given that there are badges for MAKING up to 2 billion influence, not counting recipe sales and whatnot...

Translation: "With all these other badges out there that badgers are earning, they accidentally make a HELL of a lot of money in the process of doing it. And THEN they have to go make even MORE money to get another badge."

Not to mention the fact that he's said he wants them to be an outright purchase, and has never mentioned "farming" for the badges. This suggestion - if it can even be called that, since he's just putting it out in the open to see if it's worth suggesting - is a way to DESTROY the excess money in the system, which the current means already in the game do not accomplish. WHY would he want the badge to rely on those existing means?

Snowglobe: I am talking about giving money to an NPC and getting a badge for it- and nothing but a badge.

If we had one "giveaway" badge for every "inf earned" badge, what would you consider a fair ratio? If you have Trendsetter (50,000,000 "inf earned") what would you consider a fair price for "Trendsetting donator" or "Trendsetting squanderer" or whatever?

Keep in mind that Topdoc, admittedly a better farmer than you or I, made 29 million inf cash (that counted for the badge) and 524 million inf total in his published numbers. If you do a quarter as well as him, that's roughly 5 to 1.

I would be ahppy for a badge on redside that is granbted for killing pedestrians!

Well put, SG. I have to say, I was following this thread, and didn't really "get" your point until now. You're right, as a continuing inf sink, this badge idea wouldn't really scratch the surface as I think Fulmens intends.

Couple of people on one of the badge channels were talking about farming up a couple hundred million cash inf towards the "inf created" badges over 2XP weekend. Let's discuss three things about this:

1) People are still working on the "inf created" badges, so there's still a continuing stream of badge-related money going into the game. Not as big as the surge when badges were new, but it's still real.
2) There is a huge leverage effect on the market. Let's say those two people generate 100 million inf each that counts for the badge. 200 million inf total. That has to be spent ten times before it goes away, so that's 2 billion inf of spending to get rid of that 200 million inf.

They have also generated something like 400 million or more of "new cash equivalents"- generic IO recipes that get sold to vendors, creating new inf that was not there before. That's another 4 billion inf of spending.

3) They've leveraged their own net wealth by far more than 200 million. Let's say they aren't working hard to raise their net wealth. Let's say they are only a quarter as effective as TopDoc in turning "farm time" into money. He was not doing anything magical- mostly he was crafting the stuff that was worth a lot more crafted, and selling purples- but let's say that people are only getting a quarter as much good stuff for some reason. They'd raise their own total net worth by a billion inf total.

So these are people who ARE FARMING. People who CAN AFFORD a 125-million or 250-million inf badge. And people who ARE GENERATING that amount of inf, right now. Not "using the market heavily" .