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Originally Posted by Celestial_Fury
You can name your char Arthur in CO. Just sayin. Think they will be sued over that? Scary.
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Especially if Arthur looks like this...
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But seeing as how you can't make your henchmen look anything like either one of those Arthurs it shouldn't be banned.
I can understand not being able to name yourself Arthur, because then you'd be able to emulate one of them. We even have the rabbit ears now.
But seeing as how you'd either have;
A common gang banger type.... named Arthur.
An undead corpse..... named Arthur
A generic robot..... or
A soldier of fortune or just a random Ninja.
It shouldn't be an issue.
No judge in this country would look at one of our zombies, see his name as Arthur and award PBS a settlement.
It's ludacris.
Oh wait, we are talking about the American justice system aren't we?
Nevermind. (Sigh)
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Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
But seeing as how you can't make your henchmen look anything like either one of those Arthurs it shouldn't be banned.
I can understand not being able to name yourself Arthur, because then you'd be able to emulate one of them. We even have the rabbit ears now. But seeing as how you'd either have; A common gang banger type.... named Arthur. An undead corpse..... named Arthur A generic robot..... or A soldier of fortune or just a random Ninja. It shouldn't be an issue. No judge in this country would look at one of our zombies, see his name as Arthur and award PBS a settlement. It's ludacris. Oh wait, we are talking about the American justice system aren't we? Nevermind. (Sigh) |
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The problem isn't that they could win, it's that they could be taken to court at all. After shelling out $50,000.00 or so to not pay millions, they "win the lawsuit". Or they could simply not allow Arthur and not potentially pay the 50 grand to let you play your character with that name.|
Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
But seeing as how you can't make your henchmen look anything like either one of those Arthurs it shouldn't be banned.
I can understand not being able to name yourself Arthur, because then you'd be able to emulate one of them. We even have the rabbit ears now. But seeing as how you'd either have; A common gang banger type.... named Arthur. An undead corpse..... named Arthur A generic robot..... or A soldier of fortune or just a random Ninja. It shouldn't be an issue. No judge in this country would look at one of our zombies, see his name as Arthur and award PBS a settlement. It's ludacris. Oh wait, we are talking about the American justice system aren't we? Nevermind. (Sigh) |
And I agree that normal names that a person in real life shouldn't be grounds for a lawsuit. Humans make me sad sometimes.
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Originally Posted by MaestroMavius
I can understand not being able to name yourself Arthur, because then you'd be able to emulate one of them. We even have the rabbit ears now.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Don't blame the judicial system. Blame companies like Disney that are sue happy.
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True that. It is thw whole "suing" system that is to blame. They should not have the right to sue happy like that. Or at least, suing should not be an expensive procedure so that any sued entity or person could with ease defend themselve at budget price.
Lame system... It is so american.. Tsk tsk...
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It's the law actually, the holders of the rights have to pursue any possible case of infringement or they risk losing their rights to the property.|
Originally Posted by Celestial_Fury
True that. It is thw whole "suing" system that is to blame. They should not have the right to sue happy like that. Or at least, suing should not be an expensive procedure so that any sued entity or person could with ease defend themselve at budget price.
Lame system... It is so american.. Tsk tsk... |
Though continue on in life being ignorant tool.
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It is the law you say? Change the law then because it is lame! Why no one will change it is beyond me. Anyway, any justice system that is expensive is right from the start not just. If you fair trials because of the fees charged for the procedure then where is the justice in that? See. It`s lame.
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Originally Posted by CoX_Junkie
It's the law actually, the holders of the rights have to pursue any possible case of infringement or they risk losing their rights to the property.
Though continue on in life being ignorant tool. |
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There is a LOT of infringing characters in CO. Far more then their GM's can handle ATM. I last few days I play CO, I say 3, count 'em, 3 Hellboys, Superman, Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Doctor Strange, Spartan, Flash, Batman. And that's just off the top of my head.
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Originally Posted by Celestial_Fury
You can name your char Arthur in CO. Just sayin. Think they will be sued over that? Scary.
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I am going to take a guess that for MM pet names, they probably turn a blind eye to little circumvention measures like this, since unlike full blown player characters, a MM pet that has a name that may possibly be trademarked by someone somewhere in the world is a total non-issue.|
Originally Posted by Heraclea
When the game refused to allow me to promote one of my first-rank ninjas named Saddam to a second rank minion bearing the same name, because the name had been apparently banned in the interim, I ended up calling that character Saddam. with a period. This would appear to be enough to get around it.
Since Arthur is an ordinary name (for that matter, so is Saddam) and it's unlikely that a ninja, thug, mercenary, zombie, or robot can be made to look like the PBS character, you are doing no wrong by evading this. |
Still, if they want to really do something about infringing names (whether on player characters, on MM pets, or in AE missions), they should just go ahead and add any conceivable proper name to the banned list, because it may possibly be "owned" by someone somewhere. And if it isn't now, could be tomorrow.
Now I am tempted to make a character of some sort named Litteral Arthur (named in honor of my grandfather on my mother's side...only with the names reversed.
) Just need to think of a concept for him... Probably would have to go with a stage magician getup for him, since he was a most excellent magician before he passed on almost 40 years ago.Nah. I've made more than enough new characters already. I'll just enjoy what I have now. Besides, I already have an Arthur character. It's not in his character name, but it will be mentioned as his assumed civilian name when and if I write up his bio. He's my Lobster, who took on the name Arthur (because it was such a pleasant sensible sounding name) Podinski (the somewhat mad scientist who was responsible for his awakening.)
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If it is a common sight as you say, Cryptic could be in a world of hurt. I see the stray Superman or Iron Man in CoH, but it is not common. If Cryptic is not vigorously stamping out infringement, I would bet that Marvel has folks looking into it.|
Originally Posted by Fuzun
There is a LOT of infringing characters in CO. Far more then their GM's can handle ATM. I last few days I play CO, I say 3, count 'em, 3 Hellboys, Superman, Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Doctor Strange, Spartan, Flash, Batman. And that's just off the top of my head.
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And in their petition for a Million Billion Dollars in Damages, Marvel's attorneys will note that Cryptic had previously produced a superhero themed game capable of infringing on their characters, which led to a massive lawsuit and settlement... and EVEN WITH THAT EXPERIENCE Cryptic created YET ANOTHER game that easily allows infringement, and do not do much to stop it, blah blah blah.
Just defending a lawsuit is a huge drain in money, resources and mental wear and tear. And Cryptic might not be able to fend another one off with this being their second game with such "problems."
You know, if the last time you walked down that dark alleyway you got jumped by 10 gangbangers who assaulted you, you would not merrily traipse down the same alleyway again.
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Spideys name is Peter Supes real name is Clark are those names banned? A name as common as Arthur cannot possibly have a copyright, besides show me how to make a character look like the Arthur in your pic? The only copyright they can possibly have is the story behind the Arthur in your pic and his likeness so to avoid these issues is the real legal area to avoid. but I'm not surprised to hear this is the possible sticking point as COX is probably weary of any possible litigation in the future.
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The main thing I think you're missing is that, in the examples you give above, Spider-Man's name isn't "Peter" -- it's "Spider-Man". His real name is Peter, sure, but that's not the copyrighted (high-profile public, on-the-comic-cover) name. Same with Superman.|
Originally Posted by Achilles_Rex
Spideys name is Peter Supes real name is Clark are those names banned? A name as common as Arthur cannot possibly have a copyright, besides show me how to make a character look like the Arthur in your pic? The only copyright they can possibly have is the story behind the Arthur in your pic and his likeness so to avoid these issues is the real legal area to avoid. but I'm not surprised to hear this is the possible sticking point as COX is probably weary of any possible litigation in the future.
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In the case of the Tick's Arthur, that IS the character's name (both hero and secret identity). I don't think any of us know exactly which Arthur is the reason for the blocked name choice (or if it's multiple Arthurs), but I think it's likely that the Tick's Arthur character was at least a consideration.
In the end, I'm with NCSoft. Better safe than sorry. I'd rather them spend their money on developing more content rather than throw it at lawyers all because of a stupid, baseless lawsuit. No thanks.
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While I understand NCSofts vision on this and don't blame them for enforcing it, I think it's utter bull that someone. copyrights,trademarks, whatever legal term you want, a common name. A character yes I can understand. But a name?
Nothing I can do about that but still.
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