Bikini Girls With Machine Guns!

For the human pets, yes this is true. They all look like pretty standard costume sets. It's the non-humans that would be the sticking point here. The Lich and Oni have full robes, which the devs have apparently stated that players aren't likely to ever get. The Bots have some custom parts, but they have a *lot* of specific animations that won't work with a normal human character, or could at least potentially look quite awful. (I'm thinking particularly of the drones' "unpacking" animation.) And we don't even know what the Demon pets will look like.

Again though, allowing MM players to custom design their pets has issues. For one thing, the custom critters would have to be stored as part of the costume data, and shared with each player you get near. For MA arcs, this isn't an issue because it can send the data upfront as the mission starts. Additionally, all characters use the same data for costumes, so not only would MM costume data get larger, every other players costume data would have to include a space for something they're not using. For weapon sets, this isn't a problem, since I think it references what powers you have, and then it's a simply one value from a list to indicate what weapon model you use. And that's not even counting separate costume slots - things would spiral out of control pretty quickly if every character costume had to include a space each MM pet, for *each* costume slot. Even if it is set up to parse the data and only include MM pet data for Masterminds, you still have the problem of MM costumes needing vastly more data than anyone else. For a totally custom Thug set, where you can set each pet to a specific appearance, you'd have the equivalent of costume data for up to seven characters for each costume slot (one MM plus six pets.)

Assuming that there's a way around this, there's still the problem of costume part selection. If you limit the selection, you'll get complaints from everyone that actually wants to look different. For example, Thugs could be a passable set for someone who wanted to create a Gunslinger or Pirate themed gang. (With the right costumes, Posse would be awesome for "random crew" or "angry mob".) For the humanoid pets, do you allow access to the full costume creator, or just a limited set of parts? For the non-player type models (Oni, Lich, most or all of the bots, the basic Zombies, and probably all of the Demons) how many new parts do you add?

And again, it's asking for a feature that would take tremendous amounts of work, and that will only directly benefit one class. *If* we ever get customizable pets, I'd guess that it would be *exactly* like Stone Armor currently is - you can choose a theme for each pet power, and set the colors. The technical problems with setting it up to customize each individual pet would be enormous. I'd *love* to see the feature added. But there seems to be two chances for it - Slim and None, and Slim left town.

Actually no, it was a rick roll. Isn't that a bit old?

Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha ...I have the patience of a coffee-fueled flea...

Actually no, it was a rick roll. Isn't that a bit old?

Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha ...I have the patience of a coffee-fueled flea...

In case you haven't noticed, the title of this thread is "bikini girls with machine guns". Note that I never asked for robots in bikinis. Maybe it would be nice if they made robots colorizable, and I'd be impressed if we could get some vanguard-themed robots or something, but frankly my focus is on the human minions. Preferably of the female, scantily clad variety.

Even in the very first post, I said that I understood if there might be technical reasons we can only have limited minion choices, but I want ONE of those choices be bikini girls with machine guns. Later I went on to describe my vision of the user interface, which would involve selecting minion models out of a drop down list.So, in fact, what I'm asking for could be EXACTLY as simple as weapon customization.

Six sixteen-bit integers. That fits into twelve bytes, which isn't enough room to store my character's NAME, and yet can index up to 65536 possible models for each minion.

Why are you so desperately emphasizing the most unreasonable aspects of what you seem to THINK I'm asking for, as if that conclusively proves that there is no room for a more reasonable compromise?

Have you actually PLAYED the game? Have you noticed how many superheros already look like strippers? If bikini girls violate a teen rating, why aren't we ALREADY in deep, deep trouble?

You'd have to be a retard to not realize system abuse is ALREADY HERE, and has been since the very first day. In fact, I bet people exhausted all of the really obvious synonyms for "******" as a character name on all the servers within an hour.

And then they all got banned so fast their heads spun. End of problem.

Meh, all of your arguments would have made just as much sense a few months ago if I had the sheer audacity to suggest we should be able to play a whip-wielding dominatrix in stiletto heeled boots who summons demons to do her bidding... and now it's an officially announced major feature in the next upcoming expansion. So never say never.

Yes, been here since Oct 04'

Note I said the "Devs" answer to the ratings board. Players are reported for sexual names, actions, and harassment. There is only a degree of control the Devs have over this situation.

I'm aware abuse is around, I noted on more abuse to this being added.

The character you're talking about is an NPC, not one we are able to play. Very different from being able to actually control and all we've seen is video of her. No actually proof as of yet she will actually be in the game as anything other then lore.

Again let me state, I could care less if this is added or not. I personally find it hilarious you seem so passionate about half naked girls being in the game.

This would be the ratings board that has ALREADY consented to allowing players to create bikini girls, which players have ALREADY abused, which in turn has ALREADY led to the devs settling on a policy of banning individual abusers as an appropriate response to abuse.

What, are you worried that the dev's chance to hit with a banhammer is capped at 95%? I have a pretty cynical view of humanity, and even I don't think that the rate people create abusive characters could ever outstrip the dev's ability to press a button.

Unless you're willing to argue that the ONLY possible reason to have female henchmen is to be abusive, giving non-abusive customers the features they want should outweigh the minor inconvenience of banning people who would probably find some way to be annoying no matter what features they enable anyway.

No, the demon summoning power set for masterminds is going to be available to ALL players, not just Desdemona. And while Desdemona will get a ring of tattoos around her neck that players won't have access to, all demon summoning masterminds are going to get the bullwhip. And I bet it will go quite well with the leather corset and stiletto heeled boots.

Well of course you find me hilarious, because I AM hilarious, and proud of it!

If you're the sort of person who thinks hilarity is something to be ashamed of, has it ever occurred to you that YOU'RE playing a computer game where grown men flounce around in public with their underwear on the outside of their spandex tights? I'm perfectly comfortable with that aspect of the game, but I'm a weirdo who wants to sit ominously in a giant egg-shaped chair surrounded by bikini girls with machine guns. What's YOUR excuse?

What the players end up abusing doesn't state the rating boards wanted it in the first place. What the players end up abusing doesn't state what the devs want WAI. It just wont get coded, I would prefer something with taste and style being coded.


I'm aware Demons will be available to players, read before you reply please. I stated the NPC may not even be in the game other then in lore. There may never be a coded model version of Desdemona ever. Where does it state materminds would get bullwhips? Just because a character have an item doesn't mean we get it. I mean Spark Blade weilds a sword and a gun, we don't have Gunblades in the game. Nore is Spark Blade even in the game futher then lore.



I don't find you funny, I find your compaign funny. As I stated, I don't care if this is ever coded. Stop replying like I'm opposed to the idea.

Just to be clear, I DON'T CARE IF THIS IS EVER CODED. I WOULD JUST PREFER SOMETHING IN BETTER TASTE TO BE ADDED.

Exactly, AE is a good example. It would be worse with MM pets because of being able to control pets w/ emotes.

My point was NPCs we control, the ones you listed. We don't have control of, putting them in AE missions doesn't count as control.

Also "hinting" as possible personal attacks is very different from official announcement. MMs all have ranged attacks and while the whip can deal ranged damage. I can see animation problems with coding it correctly. It wouldn't shock me if demons got "Flares" "Fire Blast" and "Flamethrower" as their 3 personal attacks. That being said, we'll all have to wait for more info from the Devs.

you first.

If that is supposed to be a good example of how unlikely the developers are to give customers those kinds of options, how do you explain the fact that the AE exists in the first place for you to point to as an example of how tasteless customers can be when given those kinds of options?

Somehow the AE got past the design stage and the ratings board, and was released to the wild for ordinary customers to use. There was some negative backlash, but mostly over power leveling, and they eventually took firm steps to address those concerns. If there had been just as much backlash against playboy bunny maps as there had been against power leveling, maybe they would have done something about that too.

But the arguments against the playboy bunny maps have never really risen above the level of sarcasm and eye-rolling, and the mostly unspoken but still compelling arguments FOR it are implicit in the sheer number of customers (PAYING customers, mind you) happily designing and playing these maps.

For better or worse, playboy missions in the AE are here to stay. If that suggests anything at all about the likelihood of the developers ever implementing bikini girl minions, it seems more like an argument in MY favor than anything else.

I am curious though - why are you so desperately attacking everyone whom you THINK is disagreeing with you, as if you are unwilling to consider any alternative?

What is this, kindergarten? Are you seriously trying to use the "I know you are, but what am I" defense?

I began this thread to present my argument that bikini girls with machine guns would be technically feasable, and enough customers would enjoy it as much as I would to make it worth the effort to the developers to implement. Then you come along and argue rather strongly against both of these points.

That's a "disagreement", isn't it? What else would you say you're doing here, AGREEING with me that my request is both feasable and worthwhile? Please explain what "alternatives" I should be considering here.

*Sigh.* No, I'm not presenting any defense. Nor am I throwing a temper tantrum every time someone points out a potential problem. I am also not the *only* person pointing them out, nor the only one you are attacking in response, which is what I was asking about.

As for feasibility, MM Customization and bikini girls are two completely different topics. Some form of MM customization may be possible, even likely. Whenever the developers have been asked about female humanoid pets however (and have bothered to answer at all,) their response has been more or less "no, because some players would do something immature and stupid." It really doesn't matter whether this is logical or consistent or makes sense in light of AE, or Warcraft or anything else. That was their stated position.

Yes, the developers have stated some things in the past and then later changed their position. (Custom powers were not possible when the team was down to fifteen people. Then NCSoft showed up with a wheelbarrow full of money and told them to hire a lot more staff. Suddenly some things were no longer quite as impossible.) However, it is *entirely* their decision whether to do that or not. It really *does not matter* how much you, nor any other player, wants or needs or deserves bikini slaves. If the devs don't like the idea, it's NEVER going to happen.

I'm throwing a "temper tantrum" because I have the poor taste to stand up for myself against a bunch of mealy-mouthed critics who snipe at me from every corner, but can't take what they dish out? Whatever!

By that logic you should never have argued with me, because it is my STATED POSITION that I want bikini girls with machine guns. Sorry, it's too late, I've already stated it. Nothing you can say now can change the fact that I said I want bikini girls with machine guns. Even if you think I'm being illogical and make no sense, and you just CAN'T argue with me at all because I've already stated what I think.

Does that argument work on you? Because it sure doesn't work on me!

Gosh, thank you, Captain Obvious! I never knew that it was possible for the developers to choose NOT to implement a feature I'm asking for! How did you ever guess I'm that incredibly stupid? It's amazing!

But don't waste any more of your valuable time with me, Captain Obvious! There are little children in cancer wards who might never have been informed in your charmingly blunt manner that they are probably just going to die!

Yeah, that'll never happen. There is a substantial number of players who greatly desire henchman customization for their Masterminds. The topic will continue to be discussed until that feature is added to the game, or until the game shuts down.

I meant the Bikini Girl campaign, I would also like more customization. But, I personally want something with more style and taste.

You're blatantly rooting for my thread to die, you constantly moan that you'd rather have something with more style and taste, and you've taken special care to clarify that when you say I'm "funny", you mean it purely as a personal insult.

I have to admit I'm curious... how do you behave when you ARE opposed to an idea?