Possible RMTers?


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There's this group of 8 players I see fairly often at the AE.
all anon
all 50
no guild
no invention sets
no accolades
no vet badges, just AE, WW and inf badges
their names and how they are put together remind me of the names we see in RMT spam

If it's simply one guy who is stoked about farming, I figure Ok, what the heck.
I heard of one WoW guy who played even more accounts at once.

But something about this group just doesn't seem to add up.

Most characters I usually see have some kind of coherence between their name, appearance and powerset.
These appear to have none, as if everything was chosen at random.


 

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It strongly suggests that they are RMTers, but it's hardly enough evidence for anyone to do anything about it.


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If they're RMTs, it sounds to me like they're ones starting from near ground zero. Good RMT farmers have set bonuses, because it makes them significantly more efficient.


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Well I've seen some of the teams I suspect to be RMTers traveling through Ouro. 3 Fire/Sonics, 3 Fire/Bubbles, 2 Fire/Kins all with triple-leadership toggles. They hardly need any set bonuses to be VERY effective at fighting anything.


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Yeah, I've gotten some spam from a couple "new" sites (or new to me at least)...
And just last night I saw a toon running around, named something similar to - "hjmk cyhg" or something.

It could just be someone making a disposable toon to run some story arcs for Merits and then delete them later, or somebody's dual (or tri)-box tag along doorsitter/heal spammer.
Or someone with vetspecs making a disposable toon to get back part of their Inf "wasted" on creating (typically unsellable) Common IO's, like Holds or other Mez's - while working on Field Crafter? (Although, that would be a real waste of time for most folks these days.)
Or... Maybe all of the above - *shrug*


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I heard of one WoW guy who played even more accounts at once.
Try 36 accounts at once.


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Originally Posted by DSorrow View Post
Well I've seen some of the teams I suspect to be RMTers traveling through Ouro. 3 Fire/Sonics, 3 Fire/Bubbles, 2 Fire/Kins all with triple-leadership toggles. They hardly need any set bonuses to be VERY effective at fighting anything.
I stand by my assertion. Money = IO access, and IO access = far greater base recharge, recovery and survivability. That means you need less characters to achieve the same thing. Less characters means less juggling, less account management, etc. Time is money to these folks. An initial investment in IOs pays off in the long run.

You might see ones doing it without them, but that doesn't mean they're doing it was well as they could otherwise.


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Well I've seen some of the teams I suspect to be RMTers traveling through Ouro. 3 Fire/Sonics, 3 Fire/Bubbles, 2 Fire/Kins all with triple-leadership toggles. They hardly need any set bonuses to be VERY effective at fighting anything.
That combo of a team wouldn't need any. They'd have next to resist cap, defense softcap, damage cap, near to -resist cap just from their own powers. That doesn't necessarily point to RMTers either. I've put together superteams as potent as that before as well.


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I stand by my assertion. Money = IO access, and IO access = far greater base recharge, recovery and survivability. That means you need less characters to achieve the same thing. Less characters means less juggling, less account management, etc. Time is money to these folks. An initial investment in IOs pays off in the long run.

You might see ones doing it without them, but that doesn't mean they're doing it was well as they could otherwise.
And you would be completely WRONG. LOL. They do whats easiest. Period. If you have 8 lvl 50 toons sk'ed up or full lvl moving group to group dropping all thier AoE attacks it simply melts and destroys in seconds any susceptible mob group in this game (aside from lvl 54 boss farms). They dont want to spend the Inf they could be selling tricking out thier toons when they can get the same effect or FASTER, by just bot spamming mass AoE death, with a touch of buffing for survival. Besides u need 6-8 toons just to max out mob sizes as the game stands now. Also investing too much in accounts that will get banned at some point wouldnt be terribly productive. I based all this on the fact that:

As the OP pointed out its not that hard to pick out the RMT farming toons. I see them quite often in my travels around Paragon. You used to see em crammed around portals in PI, around the "boats" in grandville, at the portal in oro, and in AE. They are predictable, they are easily noticeable. Just stop and check thier "info". No set bonuses - nada. In all reality they probably arent even slotted with SO's for most of their powers EXCEPT the AoE attacks the "bots" have on auto fire.

My advice - hit them with "ignore_spammer", as they are probably spamming like madmen on other accounts from that IP. At least cue the devs into them so they have more opportunities catch them in the act.


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And you would be completely WRONG. LOL.
And you are so all-fired sure how?

Have you ever met any RMT who you knew were RMT? I have. I've known some that talked about what they do. You know what? They were completely tricked out.*

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They do whats easiest. Period
I've got news for you. If you have a powergaming bone in your body getting tricked out is easy.

You've got a good name on you. It shows your personality up front. You should consider adding a few more qualifiers showing your level of intelligence.

* I should add that I didn't think their builds were actually that great. But they had very expensive set bonuses, all of pretty much the sorts you expect in a high-powered build. "Huge" bonuses, Luck of the Gambler: Recharge, etc.


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o'kay, this is just insane...


 

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He must have some rockin' air conditioning.


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o'kay, this is just insane...

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* I should add that I didn't think their builds were actually that great. But they had very expensive set bonuses, all of pretty much the sorts you expect in a high-powered build. "Huge" bonuses, Luck of the Gambler: Recharge, etc.
I have 3, plus my GF, meaning 4 Fully purped out 50 firkins(and other classes, regarding the lvl of threat.

Multi boxing.

Would i be more respected if i used random names and suit everyone thinkin id be a goldfarmer?

Imma try that. after all, i played enough, and i dont feel rewarded for my achievements.


 

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o'kay, this is just insane...

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And you are so all-fired sure how?

Have you ever met any RMT who you knew were RMT? I have. I've known some that talked about what they do. You know what? They were completely tricked out.*
I could say a few things up front about you making a personal attack against me, but I'll leave it at this for now:

Your response above pretty much demonstrates how little you actually grasp, and how completely gullible you are. Im still laughing, lol.

Simple point - those spammers simply dont talk about what they do. 99% of the time they cant even speak/communicate in english without some form of translator.

If you had "a conversation with one, and they detailed it all out to you...", oh then they MUST have been a real RMT'er eh ? I mean like "since they told you they were". OMG, lol.

And since they told you all this in game...

LOL

Its common sense - at this point common knowledge for anyone who's taken a look at the "info" tab on these jokers in between thier mission cycles. Oh dont forget to note that 99% of the time (100% of the times I looked) you check their info that there are NO set bonuses. Their "global" name is the same as thier crappy character name. Oh oh dont forget the near complete lack of badges. Run around in packs of 8 toons - ALL sharing the above characteristics. NEVER EVER respond if you try to talk to them. NEVER. I mean how many clues of observation do you need to figure this stuff out ? Completely obvious, not hard to understand.

Seriously...

Still laughing...

At YOU.


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The folks I chatted with, in fact, had some serious problems communicating in English. They hardly "detailed" any of this for me, and I'd love for you to actually quote where I said they did.

They also had the other hallmarks. They were running multiple accounts where the characters generally looked alike (in one case they were all identical), moving around as an autofollow cloud. They generally spent their time running the same well-known farm missions in PI, though one was an RV farmer (back when Heavies could be healed). Their characters were typically multiple Fire/Kins, sometimes named all the same except like ".1", ".2" etc at the end.

If these people weren't farmers, they sure were working hard to look like them.

The premise here is really basic.

Better characters farm faster and easier.

You said it yourself. Farmers want it easy. They can get the same farming done with 3-4 active characters and the other 4-5 characters idling somewhere. Futzing with 8 accounts every time you cycle the map, making sure none of them is hung on a curb somewhere, that's more effort, not less.

All the farmer has to do is take those basic characters and invest in them up front. They're making plenty of inf, and once they invest, they make the inf from then on faster and easier. The only reason not to do this is if they expect to be banned and so lose the investment. Even at the best PL rates we've seen with the MA, it makes no sense to do things to get your farming level 50s banned frequently. Have things changed? Are they devs banning the RMT farm caracters? I don't know. They clearly were not back around I11.

What do you think is cheaper to set up, and reduces the farmer's real-world overhead costs? Running 8 machines that can keep a character moving on follow without lagging out, or letting 4-5 instances of the game idle on crappy computers that just need to be good enough to run a couple of idle instance of the game at a time?

If you're a full-time inf farmer, buying IOs to trick out a character or four is really going to be pretty easy. Unless your activities are getting you banned, there's no reason not to do it. Just because you see plenty of them playing on bare-bones characters doesn't mean they're playing smart.

So keep laughing. It just makes you look like some juvie wiseacre who isn't actually able to defend his assertions. We're not laughing with you.


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