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Originally Posted by Imaheroe
Just as we have scrapper guides and power discussions it would be neat to have a thread of compiled builds by the different Scrapper gurus. Bill, Werner, Umbral to name a few.
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I have recently started learning about IO set slotting and I often comb through the forum looking for builds to contrast and compare. I have often wished that we had one place to post sample builds.
I would think that it would be a great tool for most and it would save a lot of time for the "different Scrapper gurus" since they wouldn't have to post the same builds over and over again in response to similar questions from various players.
Would it be one huge thread or is there a way that we could effectively break it down somehow? I just think we could potentially end up with a lot of builds...just a thought.
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Originally Posted by Fantomas
Would it be one huge thread or is there a way that we could effectively break it down somehow? I just think we could potentially end up with a lot of builds...just a thought. |
It would need to be moderated but essentially make it like the current guides thread.
Broadsword/X
List all broadsword builds that have been submitted for posting, no matter the secondary
Dual Blades/X
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then repeat it in reverse
X/Dark Armor
x/ Electric Armor
and so on.
this way we have a way to cross reference.
Who can submit? I leave that to the more experienced deciders, but if I want to know about Claws/SR there is only going to be about 2 or 3 builds I care about.
I hate to be elitist but I don't care what Joe blow uses. But if people like Umbral or Werner or BillZ or ClawsandEffect, people who understand the numbers and how to calculate stuff, its in my interest to see what they like or don't like etc.
I have quite a few builds for all of my scrappers in various stages that I'd be will to share and builds that I've made for others.
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This sounds like it would better suited on a web site so builds could compared side by side. Load it with spread sheet pop ups and links to printable versions and links pull it up on mids and/or sucker punch. Links to vids that show the builds in action too. That way, people with lesser known names can show they know what they are doing.
"All problems can be solved by throwing enough scrappers at it."
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Originally Posted by Rieze
This sounds like it would better suited on a web site so builds could compared side by side. Load it with spread sheet pop ups and links to printable versions and links pull it up on mids and/or sucker punch. Links to vids that show the builds in action too.
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/em hangs head in shame
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Lol!! You can lift your head. I wasn't talking about me. In either case. My web design knowledge is small, rusty, and outdated. I don't have any vids neither. Lol. I just know that there are several people who done crazy things with their builds, have it recorded, and are not that well known. In some cases written off. As not knowing what they are talking about. Just wasn't talking about me |
Originally Posted by Imaheroe
Sounds good, tell us when you have it done
Ok Rieze sorry I left you out. I have seen your responses and know you have game, I just can't remember everyone /em hangs head in shame |
"All problems can be solved by throwing enough scrappers at it."
@Riez on Virtue, Protector, Champion, and Exalted server.
It seems I know a web designer... a very good one at that... infact she's sitting approximately 5 feet away from me.
I ran the idea by her and she said it wouldn't be all that difficult and if she gets time she could do it.
We may however have to start a petition to get Kheldians something really cool for the next issue to convince her... or at least ask her real nice to help us out
I guess a few things that would be required would be: Global name, character name, build and possibly a picture...
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Kheldians already have something awesome: my name on two of their powersets and a number of their powers. That right there is a massive amount of awesome that they simply came with.|
Originally Posted by Ozmeth
We may however have to start a petition to get Kheldians something really cool for the next issue to convince her... or at least ask her real nice to help us out
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Honestly, the best way that I could think of it would be to allow anyone to post a build to the database, but allow each build to have reputations and as well as each poster along with the ability to sort by primary, secondary, poster, and reputation. All that would require would be a 5 part database with the last entry consisting of the actual build (either in mids' or some other form). The hard part would really be putting the site together and allowing for all of the various search functions with a decent UI.
Oh I dunno if we should base it by rep, mine took quite a beating last time I came to the Scrapper boards telling the Scrappers a group will get along just fine whether they're there or not. Nerd Rage HOOOOOO!!!!!!!
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Because the site would be unrelated to the CoX forums, I think it's safe to say that your current negative rep would have no bearing upon what builds you post. Either way, my suggestion was more that each poster would have a cumulative rep score for himself that was simply a composite of the reputations of all of the builds that s/he has contributed. The hope would be that the only thing that matters is a build's ability to perform and a contributor's reputation is based solely on his or her ability to generate worthwhile, effective builds.
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Originally Posted by Negescape
Oh I dunno if we should base it by rep, mine took quite a beating last time I came to the Scrapper boards telling the Scrappers a group will get along just fine whether they're there or not. Nerd Rage HOOOOOO!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by Umbral
The hope would be that the only thing that matters is a build's ability to perform and a contributor's reputation is based solely on his or her ability to generate worthwhile, effective builds.
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a) they wouldn't need builds spoon-fed to them, and
b) they wouldn't care if a build came from Umbral or J_Blow, as long as it works.
But I doubt that's the case.
Guy has a point.
On the other hand, someone can load up a build and look at the numbers being spit out by the build and tell it's going to be at least somewhat effective and still have no idea which sets are there and why they were chosen. One's lack of knowledge of sets and the bonuses attached does not make them unable to sort out a good build when they see one.
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It's one thing to look at "View Totals" to check and see whether a build is softcapped to all positions, how many HP it has with accolades, what the passive regen is, etc; and quite another to accurately estimate a build's maximum single-target DPS or AoE DPS. And yet another thing to take stock of a build's "intangible" mitigation through knockup, knockdown, ToHit debuffs, etc.|
Originally Posted by Negescape
Guy has a point.
On the other hand, someone can load up a build and look at the numbers being spit out by the build and tell it's going to be at least somewhat effective and still have no idea which sets are there and why they were chosen. One's lack of knowledge of sets and the bonuses attached does not make them unable to sort out a good build when they see one. |
Those with knowledge and experience will still be making their own builds, and those without it will still defer to those made by luminaries such as Umbral. Not that I blame them; Umbral's clearly an intelligent guy with an extensive knowledge of the game.
But frankly I think repuation would have more to do with name recognition and general fanboiism than efficacy of builds, simply because few people have a sound grasp of the latter.
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Originally Posted by Negescape
Oh I dunno if we should base it by rep, mine took quite a beating last time I came to the Scrapper boards telling the Scrappers a group will get along just fine whether they're there or not. Nerd Rage HOOOOOO!!!!!!!
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"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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To be honest, in my triumphant return to the game after a little bit of a hiatus, I've never seen builds from him. I've certainly seen builds from the forum regulars that think quite a bit of themselves (some unwarranted), but mostly I just see builds with as many purple sets as the poster can fit into it like purples suddenly make the build not amateurish.| those without it will still defer to those made by luminaries such as Umbral. Not that I blame them; Umbral's clearly an intelligent guy with an extensive knowledge of the game. |
On a side note, this is me only grinning at Werner rather than taunting him.
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Originally Posted by Negescape
mostly I just see builds with as many purple sets as the poster can fit into it like purples suddenly make the build not amateurish.
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"That's because Werner can't do maths." - BunnyAnomaly
"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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Actually, you probably have seen a number of builds, if not by me, heavily influenced by my past builds. What is now seen as standard slotting in a lot of powers happened became as such because I put out a number of builds that used those specific slotting strategies. If you've looked at any */regen build within the last 3 months, you've definitely seen a build of mine. I post copious commentary, suggestions, and builds in virtually every */regen thread I see.
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Originally Posted by Negescape
To be honest, in my triumphant return to the game after a little bit of a hiatus, I've never seen builds from him. I've certainly seen builds from the forum regulars that think quite a bit of themselves (some unwarranted), but mostly I just see builds with as many purple sets as the poster can fit into it like purples suddenly make the build not amateurish.
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This sounds like a nice idea, and I would love to share some of my /shield builds... I know I maybe, be the least known person here, but this would be a great way to make my mark and get a name for myself on the forums. As I've been saying lately, if all you look for is experience, where is the room for innovation. Cause you know, that with new blood comes new ideas.
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Originally Posted by Novawulfe
This sounds like a nice idea, and I would love to share some of my /shield builds... I know I maybe, be the least known person here, but this would be a great way to make my mark and get a name for myself on the forums. As I've been saying lately, if all you look for is experience, where is the room for innovation. Cause you know, that with new blood comes new ideas.
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If you put a build together that is full of purples, that rings of amateur to me. Only a complete noob is going to post a build 1% of the players are going to be able to use. Why pick one purple set over another? pick the wrong purple set and you gimp your toon, again amateur.|
Originally Posted by Negescape
To be honest, in my triumphant return to the game after a little bit of a hiatus, I've never seen builds from him. I've certainly seen builds from the forum regulars that think quite a bit of themselves (some unwarranted), but mostly I just see builds with as many purple sets as the poster can fit into it like purples suddenly make the build not amateurish.
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But Some people have researched deeper into the design of the game and understand the numbers behind it etc. I am not one of those. I choose to defer to those who have. That doesn't mean I am blindly following what they are doing and I have been known to make my personal changes to builds. But it sure is nice to get a starting point of view.
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Unless specific budget limits are mentioned, I don't think it's reasonable to assume a build has to be within a specific price point. Everyone will have their own opinion on where to draw the line.| If your put a build together that is full of purples, that rings of amateur to me. Only a complete noob is going to post a build 1% of the players are going to be able to use. Why pick one purple set over another? pick the wrong purple set and you gimp your toon, again amateur. |
Personally, I like purples and use purples. I don't mind discussing low budget builds, but if nothing is mentioned* I'll assume unlimited money. I couldn't care less if our friend Joe will never be able to afford the builds I post, and I couldn't care less if Joe, as well as many or even most players, will never solo an AV, because soloing AVs and high end builds are stuff I like and stuff I like discussing here with other people who like that stuff.
* Of course, if the OP posts a build without any purple or PVP IO, or even without LotGs and uniques, it's sensible to assume he's implying he doesn't wish to spend that much money on the build, and I'll take that into consideration.
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Its true and it seems purple builds are a buffed orange set anyway. So I can work with that. Mostly what I am looking for are concepts in builds. Especially when you have something like siphon life, which can be slotted about 1000 different ways.
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Originally Posted by Nihilii
Unless specific budget limits are mentioned, I don't think it's reasonable to assume a build has to be within a specific price point. Everyone will have their own opinion on where to draw the line.
Personally, I like purples and use purples. I don't mind discussing low budget builds, but if nothing is mentioned* I'll assume unlimited money. I couldn't care less if our friend Joe will never be able to afford the builds I post, and I couldn't care less if Joe, as well as many or even most players, will never solo an AV, because soloing AVs and high end builds are stuff I like and stuff I like discussing here with other people who like that stuff. * Of course, if the OP posts a build without any purple or PVP IO, or even without LotGs and uniques, it's sensible to assume he's implying he doesn't wish to spend that much money on the build, and I'll take that into consideration. |
Understand that Werner is a relative newb, and Umbral just recently started posting builds.
People like Stupid_fanboi, The Mighty Storm (later the Mighty Scourge), Sarate, and Havoc where doing this stuff aloooong time ago.
What these guys understand are the numbers behind the builds and how to maximize Mids
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Just as we have scrapper guides and power discussions it would be neat to have a thread of compiled builds by the different Scrapper gurus. Bill, Werner, Umbral to name a few.
It would be a good goto resource to see how the more experienced players choose slots and stuff.