This would be extremely overpowered. The existing set bonuses (and the occasional rare IO) provide status resistance, not protection, for this very reason.
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Originally Posted by Xyzyx
This would be extremely overpowered. The existing set bonuses (and the occasional rare IO) provide status resistance, not protection, for this very reason.
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Is KB so unvalued as mitigation that it gets protection but other sorts do not?
do we have to have this discussion again? there is no need for any other type of protection io's to be made. that is what shields and buffs are for.
KB seems to be something of a special case, perhaps because it will only keep you out of the fight momentarily; it's also possible to take an existing pool power to avoid KB. There are no corresponding pool powers offering status protection for Stun, Disorient, Hold, etc., so it appears the devs view KB as mitigation, but not a status effect.
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Not while solo, no. But if you've got a duo, you can both take Stimulant, regardless of your pri/sec, and be protected.|
Originally Posted by Xyzyx
There are no corresponding pool powers offering status protection for Stun, Disorient, Hold, etc.
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Edit: Actually, Combat Jumping provides immob protection, and Acrobatics provides some minor Hold protection. So you can get some for yourself.
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If you've got a duo, either or both of you could take any number of powers to protect the other entirely, but the Leaping pool powers are worthy of mention. The protection that Acrobatics offers to status effects other than KB is a) comparitively minor (only to Hold, only Mag 2), b) in a costly toggle, and c) gated by two other power picks, so it seems as though the devs think that true status protection should be hard to come by for non-melee types.
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Combat Jumping's Immob protection is the same magnitude as every other protection power in the game. If a Tanker has CJ, for instance, they have 26, not 13, Immob protection.
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Not at all. Knockback is the only status effect that has no duration to reduce, which resistance does. You either ARE knocked back, or you are NOT knocked back, it is impossible to be knocked back for less time. |
Originally Posted by Eiko-chan
Steadfast Protection, Karma, and Blessing of the Zephyr beg to differ.
Is KB so unvalued as mitigation that it gets protection but other sorts do not? |
If my blaster had status protection to everything, he would be almost completely unkillable in normal situations. He is a hover blaster who is soft-capped to ranged damage. The only thing that even slows him down is the occasional mez that sneaks through.
You can build similarly with ANY AT, so it's not just a blaster thing.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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My Tanker is completely unkillable in normal situations, and nearly so in abnormal situations. I don't think a few points of Stun, Hold, or Sleep protection in other ATs would seriously challenge her place in teams.
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
If my blaster had status protection to everything, he would be almost completely unkillable in normal situations.
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Why wouldn't it? Who would want your invincible tanker when they could have an invincible blaster with a higher damage modifier and a higher damage cap?
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Originally Posted by Xyzyx
Why wouldn't it? Who would want your invincible tanker when they could have an invincible blaster with a higher damage modifier and a higher damage cap?
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Because a few points of status protection is not going to make a blaster as invincible as my Tanker. When I say "invincible" I mean "go make a sandwich while aggro-capped minions beat on the Tanker and have no worries whatsoever."
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Originally Posted by Xyzyx
Why wouldn't it? Who would want your invincible tanker when they could have an invincible blaster with a higher damage modifier and a higher damage cap?
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Thing is, there'd be no need for your tanker to be soaking aggro for anybody if everybody was like the AR/Dev Fleeting mentions, or Claws' range-capped hover blaster, which means you'd become a low-damage scrapper with a great big bag of hit points. They're already supplanting a tanker's role, and they'd do it even more so with comparable status protection. Tankmage, anyone? Why settle for Tank/ or /Mage when you can have the whole enchilada?
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In retrospect, I suppose I should mention that STF team had 3 Sonic Resonance characters on it, too 
We didn't even tank Recluse. We just dropped Sonic Cage on him while we took out the towers.
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/signed I don't think this would be overpowered. Every AT deserves to be able to solo effectively without having to carry breakfrees all around.
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Wrong. Acrobatics gives 10 pts of Hold protection. And Combat Jumping gives Immobilization protection.
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Originally Posted by Xyzyx
it's also possible to take an existing pool power to avoid KB. There are no corresponding pool powers offering status protection for Stun, Disorient, Hold, etc.,.
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In retrospect, I suppose I should mention that STF team had 3 Sonic Resonance characters on it, too
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I think Aid Self gives Disorient protection, too.
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Originally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
Not while solo, no. But if you've got a duo, you can both take Stimulant, regardless of your pri/sec, and be protected.
Edit: Actually, Combat Jumping provides immob protection, and Acrobatics provides some minor Hold protection. So you can get some for yourself. |
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I don't really have an opinion on this suggestion, I'm happy with or without it. However, I think you're a little over the top in this statement. A couple points of protection to one type of mez will not turn any character into a tank mage, hell the IOs could even be made unique so you couldn't get 8 points to everything.
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Originally Posted by Xyzyx
Thing is, there'd be no need for your tanker to be soaking aggro for anybody if everybody was like the AR/Dev Fleeting mentions, or Claws' range-capped hover blaster, which means you'd become a low-damage scrapper with a great big bag of hit points. They're already supplanting a tanker's role, and they'd do it even more so with comparable status protection. Tankmage, anyone? Why settle for Tank/ or /Mage when you can have the whole enchilada?
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2, but nice try.
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Originally Posted by Bad_Wonka
Acrobatics gives 10 pts of Hold protection
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Originally I thought of an actual IO that covered all status protection, then thought it would be a better idea to have separate ones. Just like the IO's we have for knockback protection, I my idea proposes individual IO's for protection of other status effects; Sleep, Disorient, Hold, and Immobilize protection. Not status resistance, but status protection.