Justified? What do you guys think?

You guys getting butt hurt by the truth can feel free to prove me wrong on the characters you've already maxed out in the best possible sets to be able to do what a tank can. But I would love to see you jump on that random whim of a build you want to try out (just like everyone else out there), jump into a PUG AE, and do it without a viable tank. A good tank is an ABSOLUTE NECESSITY if you want to do a good AE farm.

Also, I seriously doubt your scrapper is built to hold and keep threat beyond just doing a lot of damage praying they stay angry with you. In that situation you will be damn thankful you have a good healer on board because everyone else is the group will need the healing.

Further, if you take issue to me exerting my elitist view on how I run my AEs, don't be an idiot in what's clearly a farm. I don't abide stupid, lazy and generally worthless people.

Certain facts about an AE leveler.

1) They mostly will not slot a single enhancement until at least level 30. This is largely because everything but IOs will be out leveled before you've even finished a single mission, and level 30 is about the time IOs become as effective as a +2 SO.

2) Since they're leveling in an AE, they're lacking in the funds to slot most of their abilities to the full potential. So they're weaker than their "I leveled the 'right way.'" counterpart. Unless they spent their tickets wisely anyway.

3) It's my experience that people are building for a "final" build from the get go (I do anyway). Assuming they know what they're doing. Otherwise they're the reviled AE babies everyone shudders to see getting to 50.

These 3 facts lead to the truth that in an AE PUG, a good tank is required. While it may be true that you're totally-super-awesome-rad-epicced-out-scrapper has what it takes to run a level 54 boss farm with the finesse of an Olympic athlete, the simple fact is, you don't. That burden is laid upon the willing tank. I'm willing as long as you follow the rules. Call me egotistical, call me self-important, call everything else you want that's a synonym for those words and sound redundant all you want, you'd be right, but I'm the guy that's standing between your new character and level 50. Get over it.

Negescape, you are giving tanks a bad name.

Thankfully, most tank players I know do not share your attitude. They can lead or follow leadership as the situation needs. The fact that you seem to insist that everyone, including the leader if it's not you, should play YOUR way tells me that you are inflexible and most likely less competent than other tank players. A competent tank can adjust to any given situation on any given team....

...let me amend that statement...

In CoH, a competent player of any AT can adjust to any given situation on any given team. Complaining that other players are incompetent does not excuse YOU.

Ah, so I'm incompetent now. I suppose that worse than self-important and egotistical. I was wondering why it was such a headache trying to taunt all all those mobs the Kheldian just scattered all around me, or the blaster that thought he should pull, and I should just deal with the guy that's been AFK for the last 10 minutes. Obviously I'm the one that has no idea how to play a tank and I'm dependent on the crutch of being carried by other players superior to myself. Thank you, sir, for pointing out my failures as both a player and a tank.

Please don't step into this thread assuming I have no idea what I'm doing as a tank and can't react to a sudden shift from the established plan, it's naive. Please don't assume I'm talking about you and calling you an idiot, that's just makes it sound like you have a guilty conscience. Please don't assume I kick bad players on a whim, I'm a little more lenient than that. Once someone has established they're unwilling to listen and/or learn (or just looking for a free ride to 50) from their mistakes, that's when I give them a free ride back to the AE Building.

Makes you wonder doesn't it, how those thousands of 50s who have never teamed with Negescape ever managed to get there without him?

At the moment I'm working on leveling a fFire/SD scrapper (now you know why I was stalking the scrapper forums!), and it's my experience that the 53 lieutenant runs, while they seem faster, also seem to yield less experience/hr than a 52 boss run (I haven't actually put down any numbers to confirm that, may be wrong). They also require that you basically clear the map, which also takes longer, to hit the ticket limit. Ticket rewards basically fund a new character (without doing influence transfers anyway).

I have power leveled friends new characters in a specialty mission of 52 lieu's with SKs to level 45 to max out XP and I just solo everything, but thats a whole different situation. In a level like that I reckon most any well built AOE DPS class could outshine my tank.

Also, across the characters I've leveled in AE, I have yet to be in a successful group that didn't have a good tank. I've been in an incredibly fast group that had a fire/kin pulling to the group, but he was still pulling to a tank. That's personal experience. Yours and other people's may be different. Maybe I'm just not around when that totally super awesome scrapper or controller or defender is patiently putting together its tankless team and is basically soloing its way to glory.

I'm done here. You're obviously out of touch with the current state of the AE crowd and you're making completely uninformed and insulting assumptions about me based off of that lack of knowledge. No need to climb off your high horse anymore to tell me how wrong I am, I'm sure it's a long climb down and I don't want to burden you. It's too much work to reason a man out of a position he's reasoned himself into. Yes, that goes both ways.

Negescape is so serious!

Anyways, to the OP, if the Fire/Kin was causing deaths, yeah I would of gave them the boot, but if they were dieing alone...then I wouldn't really care. The Tank and his friend were simply stupid children and I would of kicked both of them.