Wow, Dominator's hold is a joke?
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Posted on: 2009-08-22 13:20 in Everything about PvP
Well this is the devs attempt to fix permadoms and other mezzers that could easily become OPd in pvp like fortunatas. The problem is they did to well and now mezzes are total jokes in pvp they are minor nuisances at best but can be deadly when combined with knockback.
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I didn't know control was that good in PvP. Fortunata's control isn't even that good. It's only mag 3 or 4? Dominator with Domination can produce mag 8. What made Fort good is a combination of defense and damage and I took Fortunata to RV two days ago and that was beyond laughable. lol I used two purples and mind link and I still got hit like 90% of the time.. at least it felt like it. Every Tanker is running with FA (or maybe Tactics) and Rage. Defense?? WHAT DEFENSE?! |
Originally Posted by CryoTech
Well this is the devs attempt to fix permadoms and other mezzers that could easily become OPd in pvp like fortunatas. The problem is they did to well and now mezzes are total jokes in pvp they are minor nuisances at best but can be deadly when combined with knockback.
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I never know control was that big of a deal. Most people carry break-frees anyway. What's big deal is Blaster running towards you with Build Up and Aim and +range (buffed by Controller/Defender) and you are dead in 10s before any of your control even works... at least this my experience anyway.
I post here because I thought it was funny that Dom's dominated hold only last 6sish. lol My Necro/Pain could have owned my friend's Dom so hard if I wanted to. He and I were joking about it.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
I have been crying those same tears since i13, to be honest a melee toon can rival a doms or trollers holds and do more damage in the process, sad but true. You don't even need breakfree's, this aspect of pvp is laughable, well all of it is atm but this more so to me. All the carebares who cried about holds were to lazy to just carry and manage breakfree's. Castle viewed holds as a overal problem instead of a few isolated tears, the biggest joke is alot of the carebears that put us here don't even pvp now, and second is alot of them actually used mezzers and are now crying with us to get things back, becareful what you wish for when crying. But anyway kb is king now and mind doms with their op'd levetate force you to take like 40kb protect or better builds to keep the levetate spam to a minimum. the are fatal in sirens and with stalker support fatal in rv, one good levitate and you wont get up, all you'll see is AS over your toon and the option to hospital or go to base.
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Oh.. Knockback no longer suppresses? |
Originally Posted by Ravens_NA
I have been crying those same tears since i13, to be honest a melee toon can rival a doms or trollers holds and do more damage in the process, sad but true. You don't even need breakfree's, this aspect of pvp is laughable, well all of it is atm but this more so to me. All the carebares who cried about holds were to lazy to just carry and manage breakfree's. Castle viewed holds as a overal problem instead of a few isolated tears, the biggest joke is alot of the carebears that put us here don't even pvp now, and second is alot of them actually used mezzers and are now crying with us to get things back, becareful what you wish for when crying. But anyway kb is king now and mind doms with their op'd levetate force you to take like 40kb protect or better builds to keep the levetate spam to a minimum. the are fatal in sirens and with stalker support fatal in rv, one good levitate and you wont get up, all you'll see is AS over your toon and the option to hospital or go to base.
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Well, I used to pvp a lot in Guild Wars when it first came out and then a bit in WoW and quite a few in WAR Hammer Online. All the mez powers have long recharge.. like really long.
I guess I rather have a hold that works well once in 60s than a hold that only lasts 5-6s after I tried so hard to stack and not die from doing so. That's my problem with Dom's hold now.
And how about Gravity's Lift? Does it work as well as Mind's Levitate? This is getting annoying as Mind control becomes even more important now? I just went through some pvp changes on Mids and I find a disturbing trend... some sets that used to be very PvP-friendly become even more pvp-friendly. Mind Control for one, and then Energy Melee seems even more of a good choice for the burst damage and Super Strength too. Brute's Stone Melee's Seismic Smash does 126 damage while Total Focus is 198 (is this info even correct)?? Yes, I know Seismic activates faster but who cares if PvPing in CoX is all about kiting/hitting? When is the last time you see two people fighting face to face without moving? Activation time almost becomes a non-factor, not when your biggest hitter does even less damage than Hurl Boulder?
Oh my god?? Hurl does 139 base damage? Damn... what is happening??!! I guess this explains why my Fortunate went to RV and 3 Tankers threw rock at me and I am almost dead. They didn't even need to get close to me.
I thought the goal is to promote different sets for pvp?
PS: Counters to Defense is ridiculous in higher lvl pvp.
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
Lift and Levitate are about mag 35 slotted, Power Push is around 45, and Force Bolt is I think 54. There's still a 10-second suppression on knockback but that's largely irrelevant when someone KBs you and mezzes you as soon as you get back up, because if that person's leading off a damage spike you'll be dead before that hold wears off.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
I was testing my Necro/Pain in Warburg with my friend's lvl 47 Gravity Dom. He put a Dominated Hold on me and it only last about 5-6 seconds? It was a joke! I didn't even have any set bonus to reduce hold duration.
What happened to PvP??? How can Doms fight in pvp without TK if the hold duration is THAT short? I know Doms' damage is higher but still... you deal zero damage if you die in like 5s. I haven't pvped with dom for so long... |
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But don't defensive sets have knockback protection higher than 100pt? How do you knock them?
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Originally Posted by macskull
Lift and Levitate are about mag 35 slotted, Power Push is around 45, and Force Bolt is I think 54. There's still a 10-second suppression on knockback but that's largely irrelevant when someone KBs you and mezzes you as soon as you get back up, because if that person's leading off a damage spike you'll be dead before that hold wears off.
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What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Currently there's a bug where if someone gets mezzed, their toggle knockback protection will suppress and they'll get KB'd (to test this, just have someone hit you with KO Blow when you're running your melee toggle mez protection). I've filed numerous bug reports on this and have sent PMs to the appropriate rednames, so we can only hope it's been fixed in I16.|
Originally Posted by Jibikao
But don't defensive sets have knockback protection higher than 100pt? How do you knock them?
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Side effect of that is Acrobatics suppresses as well, so even if you get 40 points of KB protection, Acro will still be making up about 10 of that - if someone mezzes you and then hits you with Levitate, you'll still get KB'd even though you should have enough KB protection to stop that.
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I've noticed a funny trend... |
Originally Posted by macskull
Currently there's a bug where if someone gets mezzed, their toggle knockback protection will suppress and they'll get KB'd (to test this, just have someone hit you with KO Blow when you're running your melee toggle mez protection). I've filed numerous bug reports on this and have sent PMs to the appropriate rednames, so we can only hope it's been fixed in I16.
Side effect of that is Acrobatics suppresses as well, so even if you get 40 points of KB protection, Acro will still be making up about 10 of that - if someone mezzes you and then hits you with Levitate, you'll still get KB'd even though you should have enough KB protection to stop that. |
Knockback used to be like so useless in PvP due to Acrobatic. It basically negates any knockback.
And after years of complaining, knockbacks have become so important while a Dominated hold gets nerfed to 5-7s?
Can't we have an in-between remedy?
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
I just posted about this delima a minute ago. I can understand Knockback being supressed, but currently powers like Levitate and Lift are not typed at "knockback" they're typed as Knock Up so no amount of Knockback Protection or Resistance will help. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't anyone see this as an over sight or "working as intended"?
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KU, KD, KB, it's all the same. Do you have to buy KU SO's, or KD SO's or sets for KnockUp and KnockDown? No you don't...|
Originally Posted by Valeria
I just posted about this delima a minute ago. I can understand Knockback being supressed, but currently powers like Levitate and Lift are not typed at "knockback" they're typed as Knock Up so no amount of Knockback Protection or Resistance will help. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't anyone see this as an over sight or "working as intended"?
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So yes...I'd say it is working as intended. If you have the appropriate amount of KB res Levitate and Lift will do nothing to you.
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And I can't count how many noobstalkers supporting a mind dom burn into ashes after rise of the phoenix...sure what your describing works...and the counter is rising from the dead, sometimes I even get the dom too.|
Originally Posted by Ravens_NA
I have been crying those same tears since i13, to be honest a melee toon can rival a doms or trollers holds and do more damage in the process, sad but true. You don't even need breakfree's, this aspect of pvp is laughable, well all of it is atm but this more so to me. All the carebares who cried about holds were to lazy to just carry and manage breakfree's. Castle viewed holds as a overal problem instead of a few isolated tears, the biggest joke is alot of the carebears that put us here don't even pvp now, and second is alot of them actually used mezzers and are now crying with us to get things back, becareful what you wish for when crying. But anyway kb is king now and mind doms with their op'd levetate force you to take like 40kb protect or better builds to keep the levetate spam to a minimum. the are fatal in sirens and with stalker support fatal in rv, one good levitate and you wont get up, all you'll see is AS over your toon and the option to hospital or go to base.
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And I can't wait to total focus your big mouth right into the abandoned sewer network.
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Unless you get mezzed, in which case, all your -KB is suppressed.
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Originally Posted by _Meldash_
KU, KD, KB, it's all the same. Do you have to buy KU SO's, or KD SO's or sets for KnockUp and KnockDown? No you don't...
So yes...I'd say it is working as intended. If you have the appropriate amount of KB res Levitate and Lift will do nothing to you. l2p |
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Nope, not a bug, working as intended.|
Originally Posted by macskull
Currently there's a bug where if someone gets mezzed, their toggle knockback protection will suppress and they'll get KB'd (to test this, just have someone hit you with KO Blow when you're running your melee toggle mez protection). I've filed numerous bug reports on this and have sent PMs to the appropriate rednames, so we can only hope it's been fixed in I16.
Side effect of that is Acrobatics suppresses as well, so even if you get 40 points of KB protection, Acro will still be making up about 10 of that - if someone mezzes you and then hits you with Levitate, you'll still get KB'd even though you should have enough KB protection to stop that. |
You get mezzed you get no KB resistance.
My god u are bad.
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Originally Posted by Galactor
Nope, not a bug, working as intended.
You get mezzed you get no KB resistance. |
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If this were true, it wouldn't have been fixed when I16 launched. You're looking for the PvE section of the boards, which is that-a-way --->|
Originally Posted by Galactor
Nope, not a bug, working as intended.
You get mezzed you get no KB resistance. |
Also you're terrible, why do you keep posting here? You can't honestly thing you're doing a good job at trolling?
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Just for clarity, mezzes seem to no longer suppress knock protection, or at least acrobatics at any rate. We didn't test with melee armor sets.
Mezzes dont supress melee mez toggles and acro KB prot, BUT...this is the funny and sad part, widows IW still supresses when mezzed. Love devs long time.... NOT.
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Originally Posted by EnD_Reitanna
Mezzes dont supress melee mez toggles and acro KB prot, BUT...this is the funny and sad part, widows IW still supresses when mezzed. Love devs long time.... NOT.
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5-6s holds are pretty damn good holds by today's standards heh
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They're also lethal to a squishy without an escape power or some form of support - a good spike will have you dead by the time the mez wears off.
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Originally Posted by TrancEnding
5-6s holds are pretty damn good holds by today's standards heh
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I was testing my Necro/Pain in Warburg with my friend's lvl 47 Gravity Dom. He put a Dominated Hold on me and it only last about 5-6 seconds? It was a joke! I didn't even have any set bonus to reduce hold duration.
What happened to PvP??? How can Doms fight in pvp without TK if the hold duration is THAT short? I know Doms' damage is higher but still... you deal zero damage if you die in like 5s.
I haven't pvped with dom for so long...
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.