Why is Cloud Sense Proc so expensive??
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2009-08-22 24:44 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
70 million for a proc ain't worth it. I could probably buy one for a lot cheaper if I checked all of levels for it.
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The problem is that it's a Pool C/D recipe. That means it's really only available through Merit Rewards Rolls and AE Ticket Rolls (with a minuscule chance for dropping form a boss). Most people who make these rolls tend to do so in a higher level bracket (normally 34-39) since that range has the highest percentage of "good" recipes. This means that even though the demand for the proc is low the supply is even lower.|
Originally Posted by Jibikao
I tried to buy one today but man, oh man, 33 bidding with ZERO for sale and the last one sold is 70mil??? Are you kidding me?? This is only up to lvl 30 recipe.
Is this a SF drop only or rare drop? Why would that many people need it anyway on villain side? For 70mils, I can buy Miracle or Numina unique! |
As Atheism said, check the lower level versions since the IO level doesn't matter for procs. Failing that you're left with either buying it for 200 merits or making random rolls yourself. If you do make your own rolls I recommend taking them in the level 10-14 range since that has the fewest recipes in it (33) but in general if you want a specific recipe buying it outright is better than rolls (especially since most of the other recipes in that range are low value).
I am just surprised by how expensive this recipe is. I can understand Achille's Heel being expensive but who would need this proc besides Dark Blast users? Dark Melee users have access to lethal proc and if it's brute, you have psionic proc from taunt (or smashing proc from any knockback attack). Who would pay 70mils for this negative proc is beyond me.
So pool C/D means I need to do Gold roll below lvl 30 then?
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
It's also part of a newer set, so less supply to begin with, compounded by the overall decrease in supply since I14.
I wouldn't bother trying to roll for it, you'd have to be extremely lucky to get it. You're better off rolling Bronze and hoping you get something you can sell.
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I need one for my Merc/Poison to slot in Weaken. I've rolled a few times in the 10-14 range with merits (needed two from the Cloud set, a couple from Shield Breaker, the Debilitative action triple, Basilisk's Gaze so it made sense). No luck so far.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
I am just surprised by how expensive this recipe is. I can understand Achille's Heel being expensive but who would need this proc besides Dark Blast users? Dark Melee users have access to lethal proc and if it's brute, you have psionic proc from taunt (or smashing proc from any knockback attack). Who would pay 70mils for this negative proc is beyond me.
So pool C/D means I need to do Gold roll below lvl 30 then? |
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As Dark Gob said even if you roll in the 10-14 range there are 33 recipes so your chances are less than 1/33 (the roll is weighted so that you get more of the popular damage sets than the less popular like to hit debuff). If you really, really want you're either going to have to buy it on the market or if the market supply is zero (which is sounds like it is) buy it directly with merits.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
I am just surprised by how expensive this recipe is. I can understand Achille's Heel being expensive but who would need this proc besides Dark Blast users? Dark Melee users have access to lethal proc and if it's brute, you have psionic proc from taunt (or smashing proc from any knockback attack). Who would pay 70mils for this negative proc is beyond me.
So pool C/D means I need to do Gold roll below lvl 30 then? |
I use it on my Bots/TA MM. I had to get it with Merits.
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The usual rule is that "top level of the set has many times the supply at many times the price."
You can figure out where the "drop from boss" peak is (villainside, probably whatever level the badguys are in the Cap Strikeforce)- look through all the levels and see where the most recent "last 5" are- and put bids on those levels.
But really, there's a tiny supply so even a small demand produces really high prices in a hurry.
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I tried to farm some tickets last night. I've done 3 Gold, 10-14 rolls so far and didn't get it.
I need over 200+ merits to get that one? Ugh... I haven't done SF much. I only have about 144 merits.
What's the best way to get merits? SF or finishing arcs?
Do you get merits from finishing old arcs through Oroboro?
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
Yes, arcs are worth merits in Ouroboros (not the single badge missions though).
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Actually most of the badge missions give 1 or 2 merits when done through Ouroborus just not when done via contact normally. There are a few that don't but most do.
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
Yes, arcs are worth merits in Ouroboros (not the single badge missions though).
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I don't think I've ever really messed with Ouroboros but can you repeat the same arc over and over again and get merits?
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Originally Posted by DarkGob
Yes, arcs are worth merits in Ouroboros (not the single badge missions though).
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What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Oh nice! I guess I'll do this then. Easier than trying to do SF I think?
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Originally Posted by Mr. DJ
yep
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What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
bah...just realized you wanted it red side, had one blue side if you were on infinity.
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That really depends. SFs offer much better merits/time than story arcs. The downside is that you need to put together a team for them. If you get on your server's global channels you can often find teams being put together (or better yet start one yourself). If all else fails head to Cimerora and find an ITF team, there's normally someone trying to form one.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
Oh nice! I guess I'll do this then. Easier than trying to do SF I think?
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Originally Posted by Adeon_Hawkwood
That really depends. SFs offer much better merits/time than story arcs. The downside is that you need to put together a team for them. If you get on your server's global channels you can often find teams being put together (or better yet start one yourself). If all else fails head to Cimerora and find an ITF team, there's normally someone trying to form one.
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I have to do over 8-10 SFs just for one lvl 30 Recipe... I begin to wonder why do I even bother? lol
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Yep. With my toon that needs it at 50 now, I'll pass it to him if I happen upon one leveling someone else up, but otherwise he probably won't be getting it.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
I have to do over 8-10 SFs just for one lvl 30 Recipe... I begin to wonder why do I even bother? lol
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I wouldnt save the merits to buy the Clouded Sense proc but get a few more and buy a more lucrative recipe like the Miracle, Numina, or LotG special. Sell that recipe for a lot, then put a reasonble bid in for the Clouded proc. Might take some time, but you will end up with more infamy to help finish out your build. Of course, if you happen to want one of those other recipes I mentioned, then you need twice the amount of merits or start to work the market to build your fortune.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
I tried to farm some tickets last night. I've done 3 Gold, 10-14 rolls so far and didn't get it.
I need over 200+ merits to get that one? Ugh... I haven't done SF much. I only have about 144 merits. What's the best way to get merits? SF or finishing arcs? Do you get merits from finishing old arcs through Oroboro? |
So you don't want to do 10 Strike Forces yourself... and you don't want to pay someone else to do 10 Strike Forces. That's a problem.
I looked at the levels available, and the dates sold and, you're right. They suck and there aren't any out there. All the "1 to 10 million" sales seem to be from before double-XP, sometimes months before... but you could put 10-million-inf bids on level 19-22 and 25, and get most of that inf back.
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I tried to get Shield Breaker proc for my Fly Trap last night and it's even worse! The most recent ones were sold between 90-100mils???!!!! This is absolutely ridiculous! Unique Miracle and LoTG +recharge don't even cost over 60mil. |
Originally Posted by Fulmens
So you don't want to do 10 Strike Forces yourself... and you don't want to pay someone else to do 10 Strike Forces. That's a problem.
I looked at the levels available, and the dates sold and, you're right. They suck and there aren't any out there. All the "1 to 10 million" sales seem to be from before double-XP, sometimes months before... but you could put 10-million-inf bids on level 19-22 and 25, and get most of that inf back. |
Did dev increase the drop-rate of the new sets when they first came out? I hope so....
I mean I want to try the recipe on my Lich but I don't think it's worth over 90mils just to "try it". ugh!!!
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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It's not worth it to you. The fact that some of those recipes are fetching the same prices as Numinas and LotGs means that to the people who can afford them, they're worth just as much as a Numina or LotG.|
Originally Posted by Jibikao
I tried to get Shield Breaker proc for my Fly Trap last night and it's even worse! The most recent ones were sold between 90-100mils???!!!! This is absolutely ridiculous! Unique Miracle and LoTG +recharge don't even cost over 60mil.
Did dev increase the drop-rate of the new sets when they first came out? I hope so.... I mean I want to try the recipe on my Lich but I don't think it's worth over 90mils just to "try it". ugh!!! |
People have already explained the reasons these recipes are so expensive:
1. Low supply - they are a pool C/D drop in a lower level bracket, where most people don't spend much leveling time.
2. Swapping out random recipe rolls for merits in I13 caused supply of many pool C/D recipes to nosedive and the few tweaks that have been made to merit random rolls and boss drops in I14 and I15 have done little to ease the supply. Ironically, you can thank the MA for bringing some prices (purples and PvP IOs notwithstanding) back in line - tickets fall like rain, and the only thing you can do with them that's actually worth the time is random rolls due to roll costs versus inventory cap.
3. People are rolling in the 35-39 and 40-45 range with their merits (and to an extent tickets) because that's where most of the "good stuff" is in terms of pool C/D recipes. I've been rolling 10-14 hoping to get lucky with a few of these recipes but until then...
Point is... how badly do you want it? You could always try placing a lower bid or just blanket-bid across several levels and hope to land one, or you could just pony up the going rate. If none of those options seem attractive to you, you don't want it that much.
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The problem with a lot of specialist recipes is that there is zero supply. I had a bid for 70million for a BotZ KB Protection level 10 IO (since I hate losing my KB protection when I exemp). I eventually pulled it since it was clear that I was unlikely to even see one on the market below maybe level 40 and started saving the merits to buy one.
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Originally Posted by macskull
Point is... how badly do you want it? You could always try placing a lower bid or just blanket-bid across several levels and hope to land one, or you could just pony up the going rate. If none of those options seem attractive to you, you don't want it that much.
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You might be able to "Buy the merits" by asking in this forum if anyone is willing to build you one in a level range for a specified price. I don't know what it would cost; I got mine for about 75 million each but that was before the latest round of price inflation. (thanks to MadamePistachio and RagmanX for selling me stuff I need... and I may be forgetting someone. My inbox got munched in the board swap. Thank you to the Unknown Benefactor!)
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I tried to buy one today but man, oh man, 33 bidding with ZERO for sale and the last one sold is 70mil??? Are you kidding me?? This is only up to lvl 30 recipe.
Is this a SF drop only or rare drop?
Why would that many people need it anyway on villain side?
For 70mils, I can buy Miracle or Numina unique!
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.