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Originally Posted by Weather
I do not see good defenders often, but every now and then I see quite a few. I do know that most of them are /sonic. I would really like to make a good defender too. I hear that rad/sonic can be good but when held, all the toggles go off. Would trick arrow be better? Or dark?
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Try Cold dom/psi or sonic
I think that's really about it at this point. But i've been inactive for a few months maybe things have changed.
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Sweet. I thought cold/ didnt work well since the slows didnt really kick in enough. But I guess the -rech would be great. Psi or sonic?
Honestly, if you're not going /Psy Blast then roll a corruptor instead. Scourge makes PvPing a little more bearable, not to mentiont they just put out more damage in general.
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Ok. So /psy is better than /sonic as a def?
the best pvp defender i ever fought was a Dark/Rad.... i know right?
No one goes there anymore, it's too crowded...
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I guess that would make sense.
So im thinking:
trick arrow/sonic (or psy)
or
rad/ sonic (or psy)
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Originally Posted by Gr33n
the best pvp defender i ever fought was a Dark/Rad.... i know right?
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I'd also give a nod to Dark/Ice. Oh how things have changed, but people are still blind and lol at dark.
You don't want to TA/Sonic because after every sonic attack u have to redraw ur weapon and that gets very annoying.
I didn't do the tests themselves but some friends of mine did, they said defenders are basically always better then corruptors, that the extra damage at the end is nothing compared to the debuff defenders have or something along that.
Next to everything has mez so rad isn't much of an option.
I would go ice/sonic. You get heat loss, which is +recovery. Snow storm, which interupts aidself and i believe it gives permanent travel surpression. There's also some awesome slows in there but finally Benumb. Benumb is the killer. It makes them do less damage and their secondary effects are weaker, so Dom's holds are shorter, every toon heals less, and debuffs arn't as good. I'm sure there are others but i dont think i need to list them all.
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Who would tell you that? What jerks.
That person was speaking of i12 PvP. With the unresisted sets of debuffs stripped from defenders they are now lower on the PvP totem. Corrs > Defs in the dmg dpt.
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You don't want to TA/Sonic because after every sonic attack u have to redraw ur weapon and that gets very annoying.
I didn't do the tests themselves but some friends of mine did, they said defenders are basically always better then corruptors, that the extra damage at the end is nothing compared to the debuff defenders have or something along that. Next to everything has mez so rad isn't much of an option. I would go ice/sonic. You get heat loss, which is +recovery. Snow storm, which interupts aidself and i believe it gives permanent travel surpression. There's also some awesome slows in there but finally Benumb. Benumb is the killer. It makes them do less damage and their secondary effects are weaker, so Dom's holds are shorter, every toon heals less, and debuffs arn't as good. I'm sure there are others but i dont think i need to list them all. |
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So, what is it that makes dark not lol anymore? It still has the super long animations that it always has had.
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Best PvP defender.
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So, what is it that makes dark not lol anymore? It still has the super long animations that it always has had.
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The ultra huge heal is the biggest thing.
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So, what is it that makes dark not lol anymore? It still has the super long animations that it always has had.
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Other things that have contributed to the rise of dark.
- Offensive Toggle Drops - Before if you were dark, and if you were RI'd there was pretty much no way of getting those toggles off you.
- No More Toggle dropping - Now that you dont have to constantly toggle up powers like shadowfall, acro, tactics, epic shield, you can focus on healing yourself instead of retoggling.
- DRs effect on Tohit was greater than DR's effect on TohitDebuff
- Winter's Gift - dark was always penalized because of no slow protection...now you can get some...enough that if you are slowed by HL....your great heal will come back.
- IO sets.
yo, got a dark/arrow up to 39 now. If built right, I could see the debuffs from dark be absolutely brutal. The debuffs should be so good to the point that arrows can do decent damage. Ill need to start adding some IO's. IMO, arrows a late bloomer, and I didn't start having fun with him until late 30's. But its still my favorite so far. 
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Sweet. I'm thinking of a dark/sonic
Good?
Or dark/psy?
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Originally Posted by Weather
Sweet. I'm thinking of a dark/sonic
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Plus its "bugged". Well, the damage is delays so most people without great regen really hate you, because once they know they need to heal 3 more attacks just hit them. At least I heard that was bugged.
And Psy because even with the new resists for all its still the least resisted.
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/psy is better than Sonic mostly because of 4 80ft range blasts, and Will Dom, Aka Fortunata Placate Proc Holder.
Plus its "bugged". Well, the damage is delays so most people without great regen really hate you, because once they know they need to heal 3 more attacks just hit them. At least I heard that was bugged. And Psy because even with the new resists for all its still the least resisted. |
Yep, dark is awesome but has no -def.. so I would not go psy, sonic can be decent... I have killed a few def based toons with it... radiation blast can be decent... Proc the crap out of it, and the -def in the attacks makes up for no -def in its debuffs... With the big heal you don't really need greens in arena, so if you wanna be uber then take some purps... -tohit and purps = l33t, or reds... I've also taken telekenisis on my sonic and for defnders it still has the repel effect... and I use shout as my big hitter instead of TF, against a lot of corrupters I can TK and nearly kill them before they can do anything.
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Originally Posted by Gr33n
the best pvp defender i ever fought was a Dark/Rad.... i know right?
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To be fair he is a pretty good player so not everyone will be as L33T on darkblast, although he is also sporting a good DB/Storm corrupt.
Overall darkblast/rad has always been very underrated (as is darkblast in general).
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Originally Posted by Sinistar6000
Sounds like you fought Snax while he throws his black marshmellows of death.
To be fair he is a pretty good player so not everyone will be as L33T on darkblast, although he is also sporting a good DB/Storm corrupt. Overall darkblast/rad has always been very underrated (as is darkblast in general). The biggest question is do you take torrent. |
Would they have decent damage?
Dark/Rad is good because it covers every stat in the debuff dpt if I'm not mistaken...
-Dmg
-Regen
-Rech
-ToHit
-Res
-Def
Now add into that the mezzes you will have on diff timers...Stun(CB + HT), Hold + Pet Hold, Fear. Plus the pet heal...yea gg dark.
So looks like we're missing -Recov, which unless your on a specialty build isn't anything to pine for. But if you realllllly did want it you could always slot a -Recov Proc into your debuffs. You don't even have to take Tar Patch anymore cause of the broken slow mechanics these days.
I've played dark miasma since i7 in PvP and it's always been underrated. Rad blast is also very good with all the proc'd out goodness. So yea enjoy the combo. It was gonna be my baby until I decided to move on to CO let me know how it works out for you.
Sweet! What powers are skip-able?
For dark? I'd skip Tar Patch, Black Hole if you don't plan on fighting MM's, and perhaps the hold depending on how tight your build is.
I say the hold assuming your taking a hold from your epic...mainly Soul Storm. More than one hold IMO is redundant nowaydays. Plus soul storm comes with free KU.
Out of rad the only powers you really need are NB, XBE, CB and maybe the snipe...depending on build/playstyle.
Disregard the EPP advice...just remembered this was a def build.
I do not see good defenders often, but every now and then I see quite a few. I do know that most of them are /sonic. I would really like to make a good defender too. I hear that rad/sonic can be good but when held, all the toggles go off. Would trick arrow be better? Or dark?
What about trollers?