Human form PB - mez woes

Honestly I could care less what your friends think as like minded tend to congregate, and you still have said nothing to sway me or anyone to believe a mono-form can do anything a tri-form cannot but without the added benifits of prolonged sustained aoe damage and the ability to truely HOLD agro.

In each and every scenerio you have recalled (that I have read) it's you and whatever large team with a kin or tank or whatever you need to do what a tri-form could do alone.

Your massive damage spike is nothing any competant Kheldian can't pull off. It's not impressive to me, and It's missleading in my opinion.

It's simply not proving the strength of human only builds in my opinion.

And to be honest I find your "Look how awesome I am on my human only Kheld" posts just as comical as you find my posts questioning their impressiveness.

You attempt to sway people to human only and have only anecdotal evidence to do so, and yet totaly refute any math or statistics that shows otherwise.

I was going to end the post with the last line but you wanted to pick apart what I said so it's only fair to return the favor.

You spike the first mob group and I assume use Unchain Essence, maybe Mire, most likely Eclipse with a healthy dose of FS, what do you do on the second mob? Dark Detonation? Unchain probably isnt up mire most likely isn't either unless your sporting a heavy global recharge and are SB'ed, but SB isn't your power It's the Kins.

Even ignoring all that you still don't have the recharge to have unchain up every mob group if your setting the pace you say you are. And Dark Detonation, possibly Mire, Orbiting Death and a few single target attacks are not an effective attack chain if your dealing with 8 man spawns set to anything over heroic unless you literaly can spam Dark Detonation back to back with no stops and that would require more recharge than you can actually get into your build.

Moving on...

If you really want to show me your ability to tank pick an AV, any one will do, and keep the agro on yourself and not others. This is generaly reguarded as Tanking by tankers who would probably know best.

Any AT with sufficient ressits/buffs can jump into an 8 man spawn long enough for everything to be locked in place and killed with sudden spike damage I do it all the time on my WS, jump in Eclipse,Mire, nuke, and in no way am I tanking.

Do I live? most of the time.
Is anyone else taking agro? Not usually, but the mobs die so fast there is no chance for me to be out-agroed. It's still not tanking, It's taking the alpha long enough for everything to be spiked to death.

You like to go on and on about play style being the most important factor. Alright I'll play.

Here is what I would do with your set up, 8 man spawns with a fire/kin in tow with my Tri-Form.

Port or run in if I had SB, Eclipse, wait for FS, then nuke.

Any stragglers the Fire/Kin can mop up since I'm already using Stygian Circle and moving onto the next group in squid form and spamming my AOE's for around 450 a pop with capped ressits. Even without SB I can spam these two back to back adnausium.

If I run into an EB/AV I can go into dwarf form perfectly safe from mez's and using my dwarf heal I can tank the EB/AV usually without support, I'll never kill him (If It's an AV. EB I can kill in dwarf form but slowly.) but I wont die either, and he will never attack anyone else unless there is a Tank there stealing my agro.

In short the only things I cannot do that you can is sit in the middle of a group of mobs smacking them for 26 points of damage every 2 seconds and spam an aoe attack that does ALOT less damage than either of my squid AOE's.

I can, Eclipse, Nuke, Unchain Essence, Stygian Circle, Mirex2, Gravity Well, Gravitic Emmination, Inky Aspect, and Phase, most likely well enough you wouldn't be able to tell visually who's powers were better slotted.

You laugh as if you somehow have the higher ground and proclaim my posts are deteriorating, while your posts really cannot decline as they never held anything but anecdote to begin with.

Your friends think your awesome, this means nothing as mine do too and I could very well be a crappy WS and so could you.

Truth be told I don't find it as funny as you do, probably because you have attempted to take an unassailable position of using nothing in your posts that can be argued because you provide very few facts.

It's a very safe position to take because if you never use any facts or figures then there is nothing that can be proven on either side and you can claim victory with nothing but "well I said it was most fun/best for me" while at the same time making it appear to be a winning playstyle/build to anyone reading.

Anytime you make claims of something being better/worse/equal the burden of proof is on the person making the claims and not the person questioning the claims. You have yet to provide anything that can be measured in any way. You refuse to and I have to question why, other than the obvious "I don't want to/It's not the way I do things/I don't have to."

You may very well be correct, maybe Human form does the job as well, but I cannot figure out how nor why it would given the facts and numbers I have seen, but until you explain it in such a fashion that I can evaluate it for merits (and not rely on the I don't like the forms so it's best for my style arguement) I have to keep calling human form equal to Tri-Form what I believe it to be, bunk.

I've been told flat out in a PM by Castle that there aren't any plans to grant Kheldians with any human form mez protection. He said it would "obviate" Dwarf form...and no one would use or take that power (I disagree) if we had mez protection in human form.

The solution they gave us was the insta-break free with Dwarf form, and they threw us a bone with toggles continuing to run while mezzed so we didn't have to re-toggle every time (even though the benefits outside of PvP would be lost during that time).

The devs told us to team with controllers or bring break frees, so those are your best bets. We've had this type of discussion in this forum many times over.

For a Human Kheld beyond lvl 40 I just can't see why anyone has any Mez issues. We have so many Inspirations, and the 3-1 is so easy, that I'm almost *Never* without a Breakfree or three. Positron said he was worried that giving Mez protection to Human would obviate the need for Dwarf...and I see his point. My Human Only simply never needs the extra protection Dwarf can provide. I don't even save my Purple and Orange Inspirations. The minute I get 3, I trade them for a Red Insp and More damage (unless I'm running low on BFs). My defenses and Heals are just seem sufficient enough that I can concentrate on killing (Hmm.. that sounds creepy )

See, the 3-1 Insp trade essentially means my Human Only has Mez Protection *all* the time. No matter if it's normal missions, soloing, Task Forces... I never worry about Mezzing...ever! And should I happen to need something longer lasting, like say against a lvl 52+ Rikti Mentalist Boss or a Carnie Dark Ring Mistress, well, there's always Light Form if you just gotta... I use it rarely though - and routinely take down Mezzing Bosses without it.

About the only time lack of mez protections is kinda noticeable is Rikti Mothership raids, but it's never that bad, esp. if you have a team with Tanks and Trollers.

As The One keeps saying, Human is better *NOT* than Triform - it's not worse either. It's just very different. I've been playing around with my Tri-Form second build a bit and it's quite effective. In the hands of a more experienced former I can see how it'd be awesome. Even so, I feel more effective and more powerful in my human only and just prefer that playstyle.

Well personally I would be all for a 'limited' mez protection. To me a PeaceBringer is a very unique AT, that seems to 'potentially' fill some holes in a team. The Dwarf form is obviously a 'tank' type, considering it comes with Taunt. The Nova, a 'blaster', and the Human appears to border on Scrapper / Defender. Now a Defender does not have mez protection, but a scrapper does. I would think a 'weaker' mez protection in Human would not hurt, perhaps .. 3 points combined with 1 natural would total 4. If most holds are 3 points then a human PB could withstand 1 hold solo. On a team with 2 controllers 2 holds. Its no scrapper! It seems like a PB is an 'almost' many things, but with no mez protection at all, it is a FAR stretch from being a scrapper. I have seen several PB builds that skip Thermal Shield, perhaps a small dose of Mez protection in there would encourage people to take the power and use it.

After building a Tri Form and taking it to level 45, I found in the higher levels I simply did not use Nova Form at all, and rarely Dwarf. Human form puts out the damage in a big way, and allows you to use all of your powers as opposed to a 'half a tank', or 'half a blaster'. Soloing, I have had to switch to Dwarf to save my own butt, usually this was due to a mez, and since I have dumped Dwarf this has become a sore spot.

(oh and before I get lambasted for saying "half a", please remember that your powers in those forms have been selected for you, and while in form you do not have access to the full array of powers as opposed to a blaster/tank that has a full arsenal at their disposal.)

All in all if there is no solution to the mez issue perhaps Acrobatics is for me. If not for the out and out protection, then for the 54% (or so) hold resistance. I think if I can combine this with an Aegis unique, and perhaps a couple/few status resists/hold resists from sets or IOs I might be able to recover from a hold in time to blast that mezzer into next week.

Thoughts?

Nope, I'd still be a tri-former, but I would spend more time in human than I do now...which is very little.

I see this as no different than wanting to not take the status toggle on any scrapper or tank set and saying I need "other" status protection. It has similar restrictions to rooted and granite armor, nobody is forced to take them but they also cannot say they do not have access to status protection either.

You can build an all human if you like but the fact you have no protection to mezz is a flaw in your chosen design not the design of the set.

I'm not overly sorry you don't like it but thats the truth.

They do not redesign an AT to placate the people dedicated to building concept characters.

They said you could build your Kheldian in any manner you like but never made any claims it would be as effective as taking the forms.

This seems to be "their" vision of the AT and playing with or against it is a choice that both sides have to live with the results of their choices.

This really is a moot point, as all signs indicate things will be staying as they are for the forseeable future. The possibility was raised analyzed and rejected. Saying the Dev's are "wrong" is just plain sour grapes, it is their game and as such whatever they decide is correct.

Actually, it would take hard numbers and a lot of complaining. But as I said in another thread, I expect it will be at least i20 before they look into 'why aren't EATs doing as well as VEATs'.

Still here, even after all this time!