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standing next to fluffy interrupts AS. to me rad makes a world of difference when paired with dark, cuz it almost guarantees your heal is gonna land. elec/dark sounds viable to an extent. do you run powerboost?
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Originally Posted by zaberkill
i run a elec/dark corr for pvp and he works quite well. the end drain from elec and the -tohit from dark make for a pretty bada** toon. plus both elec and dark get a pet with means more -end and -tohit. IDK i've been having a lotta good fights with him and only stalkers give me probles sence hides is uneffected by end crash...oh well works for me and with 2 pets, 2 holds, a fear, and 2 heals(if you count the heal from the dark pet) just saddly kinda squishy.
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How in god's earth is elec/dark viable in PVP these days?
Elec's dmg is subpar at best, even on a corr with scourge. The -recov is annoying but without Short Circuit or perma Tesla cage on the person you won't be able to drain anything before it kills you.
I play a /dark in PvP and have for about 3 years now and I don't see how anything in /dark will make Elec any better, except Tar Patch...prei12 since the new TP doesn't even slow anything anymore so it's almost impossible to keep somebody in it. I've dueled enough mind doms that I know I can keep my toggle debuff up for about 8-15 seconds at a time before it gets detogged again.
2 holds...for what? What's the point? You can't "Stack" them like before, with Mez suppression in the mix as well having two is redundant on a non Control AT. The fear is ok for stopping runners and stopping inc dmg momentarily but it doesn't drop offensive toggles, although it does provide a decent tohit debuff for a substantial period (20s).
If you went PB for your mastery it means no Hiber, which means you probably have phase, which isn't horrible, but means you have no perception either, so you have to add some yellows to your tray against anybody with any form of stealth.
And if I'm totally off and you have a butterfly build with one Travel Power, Tough, Weave, ect...(AKA not a standard PvP build) GL to you I hope you come to freedom one day, where a few decent PvP'ers with half a brain still live. So they can finally put that elec/dark to rest. I really have no clue how you're beating Psi/Ems with it...except for the fact that they must be horrid.
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I said viable to an extent. I would be willing to bet a good elec/dark could at least stalemate any mind/ dom.|
Originally Posted by _Meldash_
How in god's earth is elec/dark viable in PVP these days?
Elec's dmg is subpar at best, even on a corr with scourge. The -recov is annoying but without Short Circuit or perma Tesla cage on the person you won't be able to drain anything before it kills you. I play a /dark in PvP and have for about 3 years now and I don't see how anything in /dark will make Elec any better, except Tar Patch...prei12 since the new TP doesn't even slow anything anymore so it's almost impossible to keep somebody in it. I've dueled enough mind doms that I know I can keep my toggle debuff up for about 8-15 seconds at a time before it gets detogged again. 2 holds...for what? What's the point? You can't "Stack" them like before, with Mez suppression in the mix as well having two is redundant on a non Control AT. The fear is ok for stopping runners and stopping inc dmg momentarily but it doesn't drop offensive toggles, although it does provide a decent tohit debuff for a substantial period (20s). If you went PB for your mastery it means no Hiber, which means you probably have phase, which isn't horrible, but means you have no perception either, so you have to add some yellows to your tray against anybody with any form of stealth. And if I'm totally off and you have a butterfly build with one Travel Power, Tough, Weave, ect...(AKA not a standard PvP build) GL to you I hope you come to freedom one day, where a few decent PvP'ers with half a brain still live. So they can finally put that elec/dark to rest. I really have no clue how you're beating Psi/Ems with it...except for the fact that they must be horrid. |
I dont have an elec/dark as I've stated I have a rad/dark, so I will speculate on why it should be viable.
Powerboost + short circuit/tesla cage should be good keeping toons to low end/recovery.
1. i wouldn't waste my time with tar patch.
2. PB ToF > DK Toggle. I seldom use DK.
3. I wouldnt take two holds. My rad/dark uses 0 holds. But in the case of elec you'll need one, TC.
4. I went PB, i have no hiber and I have tactics. Heals for 680+ not even fully slotted for heals. Hibernate would be redundant. Phase a waste.
5. Yes you are totally off as I wouldnt recommend taking anything but fitness, speed,leaping and leadership.
Reading your post, i'm not sure who you are referencing, since i made the comment about elec/dark being viable to an extent but i don't have one, but the other guy had the elec/dark, and he didnt say he could beat psi/em's. i did with a rad/dark. and yes im on freedom.
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You don't run phase or hiber? Or did i miss read? if not that's what's up, what is your corrs name? maybe we can duel one day so i can see you in action. I don't think i have fought a cor or dom that didn't have phase or hiber or both. So your style must be different indeed and no holds? that's definately out of the box.|
Originally Posted by OneAboveAll
I said viable to an extent. I would be willing to bet a good elec/dark could at least stalemate any mind/ dom.
I dont have an elec/dark as I've stated I have a rad/dark, so I will speculate on why it should be viable. Powerboost + short circuit/tesla cage should be good keeping toons to low end/recovery. 1. i wouldn't waste my time with tar patch. 2. PB ToF > DK Toggle. I seldom use DK. 3. I wouldnt take two holds. My rad/dark uses 0 holds. But in the case of elec you'll need one, TC. 4. I went PB, i have no hiber and I have tactics. Heals for 680+ not even fully slotted for heals. Hibernate would be redundant. Phase a waste. 5. Yes you are totally off as I wouldnt recommend taking anything but fitness, speed,leaping and leadership. Reading your post, i'm not sure who you are referencing, since i made the comment about elec/dark being viable to an extent but i don't have one, but the other guy had the elec/dark, and he didnt say he could beat psi/em's. i did with a rad/dark. and yes im on freedom. |
But as far as that combo imo, elec/ dark i havent seen a viable one in action, and i can't really picture it working in this new pvp. DR and the other things makes it so nothing works like it should, elec/ had it's problems before i13, and that was before every soft target could pump up to 48% resist to all or better. I still don't see why castle did that but meh, elec has like one or two damaging attacks the first two iirc, so that means you have to try and fight using attrittion. With elec only id only bring 5 or so blues to that fight, SC is a pbaoe so merely staying mobile makes that hard to pull off i just don't see it. Maybe i'm missing something though? meh.
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Disastra. Stun > Holds.
I would vouch for Disastra. Will beat most things. I did beat him on my mind/fire but that goes on a different level of OP but yeah rad/dark is solid
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Originally Posted by Musey
I would vouch for Disastra. Will beat most things. I did beat him on my mind/fire but that goes on a different level of OP but yeah rad/dark is solid
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but ya....been hoping for a rematch as I have the necessary kb protection now, more hp, and higher dmg.
Glad too. My game time is at an all time low though :S so dont know but ill shout out if I see ya.
Rad/Dark is very potent...I rolled a def version right before i13 dropped hoping to make it my new fotm...
I was actually referencing the person who said they had an elec/dark that could defeat Psi/Ems and Mind/Fires, unless I misread it.
Proc'd out rad/dark corr is probably one sexy toon...I deleted my blue version so I'll never know.
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Psi/EM > Sonic/EM in duels, mostly for the placate proc. That being said a well-played Sonic will be able to give a Psi a run for their money.
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Rad/dark is actually pretty solid. Powerboosting that dark heal makes you almost unkillable to anything so long as you have endurance and you can land the heal.
Disastra held his own against my fire/regin, and I've seen him do well against just about everything he's fought.
If you want to try something not many people use: Make a rad/dark corruptor, or an elec/kin corruptor. The elec/kin can be pretty devastating to an end bar, much more so than an elec/therm. They aren't quite as self sufficient as the elec/therm, but elec/kins are pretty solid when played effectively - and effectively playing any of the 10 or less viable PvP builds is pretty easy in i13 pvp.
Don't bother with a stalker for 1v1s, they are only effective on teams these days.
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i almost have the urge to make one....just cuz CP might actually put it over the top against any therm and the debuffs are alot higher.
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Originally Posted by _Meldash_
Proc'd out rad/dark corr is probably one sexy toon...I deleted my blue version so I'll never know. |
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Make a defender one, then bring him to the dark side in GR lmao |
Originally Posted by OneAboveAll
i almost have the urge to make one....just cuz CP might actually put it over the top against any therm and the debuffs are alot higher.
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That's what I'm gonna do with half my Blasters hehe, finally, some real ranged damage for vills muhahaha!!!
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actualy i've been doing pretty well with the end drain. drained a SS/invul brute 12lvls higher then me(not that that really matters in a dual) before i really took much Dmg. the dmg output is low and saddly the fight endded in sudden death (i won but i feel dirty winning that way)...idk maybe against an expercenced PvP'er i wound't last but hey i've been pvpin for about a week now lol and in duals bout 80% are wins. i feel good about my lil elec/dark and people seem to not liek fighting him(mainly casue i think he's annoying). i don't run tar patch though. seems pointlass unless i can keep him/her in it.|
Originally Posted by _Meldash_
How in god's earth is elec/dark viable in PVP these days?
Elec's dmg is subpar at best, even on a corr with scourge. The -recov is annoying but without Short Circuit or perma Tesla cage on the person you won't be able to drain anything before it kills you. I play a /dark in PvP and have for about 3 years now and I don't see how anything in /dark will make Elec any better, except Tar Patch...prei12 since the new TP doesn't even slow anything anymore so it's almost impossible to keep somebody in it. I've dueled enough mind doms that I know I can keep my toggle debuff up for about 8-15 seconds at a time before it gets detogged again. 2 holds...for what? What's the point? You can't "Stack" them like before, with Mez suppression in the mix as well having two is redundant on a non Control AT. The fear is ok for stopping runners and stopping inc dmg momentarily but it doesn't drop offensive toggles, although it does provide a decent tohit debuff for a substantial period (20s). If you went PB for your mastery it means no Hiber, which means you probably have phase, which isn't horrible, but means you have no perception either, so you have to add some yellows to your tray against anybody with any form of stealth. And if I'm totally off and you have a butterfly build with one Travel Power, Tough, Weave, ect...(AKA not a standard PvP build) GL to you I hope you come to freedom one day, where a few decent PvP'ers with half a brain still live. So they can finally put that elec/dark to rest. I really have no clue how you're beating Psi/Ems with it...except for the fact that they must be horrid. |
any helpful advice for his build would be nice.
So how do recharge slows fare in duels? How much -recharge do you need to keep on them to be effective? etc etc
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Originally Posted by OneAboveAll
You sir are the one who has no idea. I don't mind proving my point. Disastra on Freedom.
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I've dueled what I thought was a good sonic/rad and was still able to win. How ever I think in a map were its a little harder for me to move around he might of been able to even up the score.
I'm not sure how taking Dark debuffs off of me is going to be any harder then taking Rad debuffs off. I've also tested my earth/rad troller with Power boosted debuffs and BU+AIM was all I needed to shed them. When BU+AIM was not there I just needed one yellow.
But I'd be interested to see if there's truth behind what your saying. But I fear BU+AIM+Will Dom slotted with Placate proc will end this dispute.
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Originally Posted by Ready_For_War
sure if I'm ever on and hanging around PD hit me up. l RFW l War
I've dueled what I thought was a good sonic/rad and was still able to win. How ever I think in a map were its a little harder for me to move around he might of been able to even up the score. I'm not sure how taking Dark debuffs off of me is going to be any harder then taking Rad debuffs off. I've also tested my earth/rad troller with Power boosted debuffs and BU+AIM was all I needed to shed them. When BU+AIM was not there I just needed one yellow. But I'd be interested to see if there's truth behind what your saying. But I fear BU+AIM+Will Dom slotted with Placate proc will end this dispute. |
This isnt about getting hit or not. This is about being capable of beating a build 9/10 or even 10/10. The two most constantly used tohitdebuffs, for dark, in a duel, arent toggles so not sure what you are referring to by "Taking them Off". The third one yes is a toggle. but sometimes theres just no point in putting it up until you know there is a good cycle of debuffs up.
Also the fact that he has a massive heal. And a blaster has none. It will be a tough duel if you manage inspir well.
i have been havn alot of fun 1 v 1 on my elec/cold corr (which is staminales) and has no endo issues due to HL and CP, just my 0.02 tho
also been messing with my fire/elec dom...3 imps/voltaic set and patron pet plus my elec based attacks is very nice.
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i run a elec/dark corr for pvp and he works quite well. the end drain from elec and the -tohit from dark make for a pretty bada** toon. plus both elec and dark get a pet with means more -end and -tohit. IDK i've been having a lotta good fights with him and only stalkers give me probles sence hides is uneffected by end crash...oh well works for me and with 2 pets, 2 holds, a fear, and 2 heals(if you count the heal from the dark pet) just saddly kinda squishy.