if a tf doesn't get you a reward roll is it worth it?
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Posted on: 2009-08-04 08:04 in Player Questions
It depends what you're after - if you're after merits, then the lower merit TFs probably arne't worth it - you can get 28 from the ITF, and do it faster than 2 hours.
But if you're after drops, then any TF is good for that.
And if you're afetr fun, then the lewt doesn't really matter, even if it's phat 
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Originally Posted by magnus1
did the Katie Hannon tf last night. a pug team, we had 4 team wipes, several other deaths, then finally on completion we recieved 9 merits. not enough for a merit reward roll.by my calcuations you would have to do this tf 8 times to get a reward roll. the risks were way more than the rewards here. i know some people say they could do it in less than an hour, but with all our deaths we took over 2 hours to complete. wont be doing this one anytime soon!
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Uh.. a merit reward roll is 20 merits.
at worst you're looking at 3 completes.
as for your completion time..thats highly abnormal. the average run on katie is 30-45 minutes, tops. the reason its worth so little is a well built team can blitz it in 25 or less.
Plus Katie is insanely good exp, and has a decently interesting story, so I run it all the time anyways.
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In terms of merits, No KHTF can sometimes not be the right one.
Merits are worth it in my opinion but if you want to get enough versus the time you spent trying to get them then I would suggest different TFs like Posi or Synaspse. That way you can work on getting merits, your recipes, and maybe even another badge that goes towards accolades with effects.
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Originally Posted by Cavatina
Uh.. a merit reward roll is 20 merits.
at worst you're looking at 3 completes. as for your completion time..thats highly abnormal. the average run on katie is 30-45 minutes, tops. the reason its worth so little is a well built team can blitz it in 25 or less. Plus Katie is insanely good exp, and has a decently interesting story, so I run it all the time anyways. |
did you forget diminishing returns for doing a tf in the same day? 9 1st, 4or5 2nd, 2 or 3 3rd time then 1's fron there on.
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I'm sure they assumed that you'd be doing them on different days to get the maximum benefit, otherwise it DOES become "NOT worth it."
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Originally Posted by magnus1
did you forget diminishing returns for doing a tf in the same day? 9 1st, 4or5 2nd, 2 or 3 3rd time then 1's fron there on.
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The only person forgetting something you never mentioned in the first place, would be you. If running a TF more than once the same day is part of your equation for determining if it's "worth it" then say so.
PS- you said yourself you did this on a PUG. that means the problem is with your pug, not the TF 99 times out of 100.
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Well, the diminishing returns is true. But why would you keep running it over and over knowing that you would get almost nothing by the 3rd repetition?
I run a Katie if I'm a few merits away from a random roll, since I generally don't save merits to buy stuff outright.
A Synapse followed by a quick Katie will get you enough merits for 3 random rolls. That's kind of why they implemented the diminishing returns, to encourage people to run different TFs instead of the same one over and over all day long.
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Originally Posted by magnus1
did you forget diminishing returns for doing a tf in the same day? 9 1st, 4or5 2nd, 2 or 3 3rd time then 1's fron there on.
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Do you think people chainrun Dr Q?
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I do hope you are taking into account the recipe drops that you get as well? I did Katie a couple of weeks ago and picked up a respec recipe as a drop - worth 78mill at WW. Fortunately I was able to sell it as I get 3 respecs with each toon as vet rewards which I rarely use.
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Originally Posted by magnus1
did the Katie Hannon tf last night. a pug team, we had 4 team wipes, several other deaths, then finally on completion we recieved 9 merits. not enough for a merit reward roll.by my calcuations you would have to do this tf 8 times to get a reward roll. the risks were way more than the rewards here. i know some people say they could do it in less than an hour, but with all our deaths we took over 2 hours to complete. wont be doing this one anytime soon!
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Pretty much. I only chainrun katies if I'm trying to blast a new alt to 35 at high speed or its double xp and I'm farming influence.
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Originally Posted by SunGryphon
I'm sure they assumed that you'd be doing them on different days to get the maximum benefit, otherwise it DOES become "NOT worth it."
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Originally Posted by Warbaby
I do hope you are taking into account the recipe drops that you get as well? I did Katie a couple of weeks ago and picked up a respec recipe as a drop - worth 78mill at WW. Fortunately I was able to sell it as I get 3 respecs with each toon as vet rewards which I rarely use.
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Originally Posted by Lemur_Lad
The only person forgetting something you never mentioned in the first place, would be you. If running a TF more than once the same day is part of your equation for determining if it's "worth it" then say so.
PS- you said yourself you did this on a PUG. that means the problem is with your pug, not the TF 99 times out of 100. |
leave it to the forum cartel to come in and flame a thread. thats all you guys are ever good for!you guys should save your opinions for someone who isnt afraid of you!
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Originally Posted by Cavatina
Yeah. those are selling even better this week due to double xp
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sry but didnt get any good drops either. sry i take that back i got a positronic matrix as a drop. recipes were normal hold, stun, defense buff.
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The only one flaming is .. er.. well I think it might be you.
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Originally Posted by magnus1
leave it to the forum cartel to come in and flame a thread. thats all you guys are ever good for!you guys should save your opinions for someone who isnt afraid of you!
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Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
Well, the diminishing returns is true. But why would you keep running it over and over knowing that you would get almost nothing by the 3rd repetition?
I run a Katie if I'm a few merits away from a random roll, since I generally don't save merits to buy stuff outright. A Synapse followed by a quick Katie will get you enough merits for 3 random rolls. That's kind of why they implemented the diminishing returns, to encourage people to run different TFs instead of the same one over and over all day long. |
i guess what im trying to say is that a tf that isnt worth a reward recipe roll isnt really a tf!
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Well, you could always do some AE (not even farms if you dont wanna, just regular stuff)and cash the tickets in for recipes. Even yellow recipes that are good are going for millions right now.
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Originally Posted by magnus1
sry but didnt get any good drops either. sry i take that back i got a positronic matrix as a drop. recipes were normal hold, stun, defense buff.
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Hardly. A taskforce is what you make of it. I love Katie, its great exp, massive amounts of influence if exemped, and possibly the most fun TF in the game other than ITF or STF. so for me, its one of the BEST taskforces. |
Originally Posted by magnus1
i guess what im trying to say is that a tf that isnt worth a reward recipe roll isnt really a tf!
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so standing up to a flamer is flaming. interesting mindset. by no means accurate but interesting.
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Originally Posted by SunGryphon
The only one flaming is .. er.. well I think it might be you.
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He didnt flame you. No offense, but other than TFs that take HOURS, not a single one will get you more than one go at rewards a day.|
Originally Posted by magnus1
so standing up to a flamer is flaming. interesting mindset. by no means accurate but interesting.
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They're not intended to be chainrun over and over, and merits are based on average time of completion, not on the fact your pug was competely incompetent.
But if you'd rather retreat into delusional "standing up" to imagined flames based on your flawed position, by all means.
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If you have a tanker, a couple of controllers, a couple of defenders and the rest scrappers and blasters you can finish it in 30-45 minutes. You have to know exactly how it works to do it this way.|
Originally Posted by magnus1
did the Katie Hannon tf last night. a pug team, we had 4 team wipes, several other deaths, then finally on completion we recieved 9 merits. not enough for a merit reward roll.by my calcuations you would have to do this tf 8 times to get a reward roll. the risks were way more than the rewards here. i know some people say they could do it in less than an hour, but with all our deaths we took over 2 hours to complete. wont be doing this one anytime soon!
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Doing it fast involves skipping over most of the second and fourth missions. Most teams get someone with invisibility and Recall Friend to make the second mission easy. The fourth mission can be accomplished by a few characters with Flight, as I recall.
Check out the Paragon Wiki entry for this TF at
http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Katie_...Force#Strategy
I think the merit reward system is broken. You should get a base number of merits for doing a TF, and then extra merits for the number of mobs you plow through (up to some maximum). That way people who just play it for fun aren't penalized by the playstyle of the people have optimized it to death.
Disagreeing with you does not mean I'm flaming you. I simply pointed out that you can't claim someone "forgot" something you never mentioned, and that if you're judging the difficulty/value of a TF by the experiences of an obviously poorly skilled PUG, then your methods are flawed.
If I were new to the game and had less than 10 posts, I'd say the same thing. Don't bring up things that don't have any bearing on the discussion at hand please.
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People who truly play it "for fun" wouldn't be in it for the rewards anyhow. That's like playing poker for chips instead of money and then being mad you didn't get a billion dollars.|
Originally Posted by Rodion
If you have a tanker, a couple of controllers, a couple of defenders and the rest scrappers and blasters you can finish it in 30-45 minutes. You have to know exactly how it works to do it this way.
Doing it fast involves skipping over most of the second and fourth missions. Most teams get someone with invisibility and Recall Friend to make the second mission easy. The fourth mission can be accomplished by a few characters with Flight, as I recall. Check out the Paragon Wiki entry for this TF at http://wiki.cohtitan.com/wiki/Katie_...Force#Strategy I think the merit reward system is broken. You should get a base number of merits for doing a TF, and then extra merits for the number of mobs you plow through (up to some maximum). That way people who just play it for fun aren't penalized by the playstyle of the people have optimized it to death. |
I never understood how Katie is "ruined" when the people who arent out for efficient rewards claim it is. The story's intact, its an amazing levelling tool, and very fun. The only possible way its "ruined" is if you feel entitled somehow to rewards for your time, in which case you're trying to have your cake and eat it too.
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Originally Posted by Rodion
That way people who just play it for fun aren't penalized by the playstyle of the people have optimized it to death.
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People who play for fun, xp, what have you still get all those things, they just get slightly less of a bonus than they would for other harder tasks.
Basing rewards on the average runtime may lead to some occasions where it seems unfair for the people who take far longer, but when the alternative is that people run Katie 8-20 times a day to the exclusion of most all other content, then something has to be done.
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Sure its only worth minimal merits but for the first time you run it on a character you get the sweet temp power Amy to summon. If you ask that's good enough reason to run it right there.
Edit: oh ya you get some costume pieces for running it as well even better
did the Katie Hannon tf last night. a pug team, we had 4 team wipes, several other deaths, then finally on completion we recieved 9 merits. not enough for a merit reward roll.by my calcuations you would have to do this tf 8 times to get a reward roll. the risks were way more than the rewards here. i know some people say they could do it in less than an hour, but with all our deaths we took over 2 hours to complete. wont be doing this one anytime soon!