Illusion Control for Dominators

Was thinking what with the i15 changes to Dominators and the ability to re-tint powers (at the very least) in i16 so could Illusion be proliferated to dominators.

In the past the biggest problem has been that domination did very little for Illusion but I think that's changed now.


Spectral Wounds - Should work fine for a dominator in fact it mite even be to good and need scaling back a little

Blind - Another good power for a dominator as its all front loaded damage the hold would be boosted by domination as would the additional chance of AoE sleep that it has

Deceive - Bog standard single target confuse should be ok on a dominator with its duration being boosted when domination is up

Flash - Basic AoE Hold needs to be triggered at point blank range but as dominators are ranged/mell highbrids there a good chance the'll be in melee any ways also fire AoE hold is the same and it works. Again duration would be boosted by domination being up

Superior Invisibility - Should be a great power for a dominator as well as allowing the dominator to get into range to use its AoE hold it also allows the Dominator to get in and use its more powerful melee attacks. also gives a small +Def which never hurts.

Group Invisibility - much the same as Superior but a group buff like Illusion on controllers i can see this being skipped in favour of Superior depending on play stile.

Phantom Army - These should work great for a dominator while domination would have no effect on them they would make exilent decoys allowing the dominator to get stuck in while they take some of the agro

spectral terror - again this would probably receive no direct buff from domination but would act as another agro mitagator allowing the dominator to concentrate on damage while it feared stuff

Phantasm - Another pet best of all it summons more pets meaning that there is likely to be fewer attacks coming in the direction of the dominator which is all ways good

There are still a few powers that don't benefit from domination or dominator's improved base damage these mainly being Group Invisibility, Superior Invisibility, Phantom Army, spectral terror and Phantasm but I don't think they need to benefit the invisibility powers are useful on there own and don't need any form of buff and the pets can be rebalanced if need be but I don't think they would.

Signed

[ QUOTE ]
In the past the biggest problem has been that domination did very little for Illusion but I think that's changed now.

[/ QUOTE ]

It isn't just that, it's that Illusion has fewer powers that build domination. Mez click attack powers build domination much faster than powers in the secondary.

IMO what needs to be done is to replace one of the invisibilities with a targeted aoe click soft control/damage power. E.g. a Fear+Psi damage.

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
In the past the biggest problem has been that domination did very little for Illusion but I think that's changed now.

[/ QUOTE ]

It isn't just that, it's that Illusion has fewer powers that build domination. Mez click attack powers build domination much faster than powers in the secondary.

IMO what needs to be done is to replace one of the invisibilities with a targeted aoe click soft control/damage power. E.g. a Fear+Psi damage.

[/ QUOTE ]

^ This

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

I think your wrong Praf as far as I'm aware Melee powers in the seconder build domination the fastest

However even assuming your correct I fail to see how it matters with the way dominator's have been rebalanced domination building is less important now and given that Illusion has the very spam able combination of Spectral wounds and Blind I don't think building up the domination bar is going to be a problem.

Could use "Scare" from Mental Manipulation, if it was tweaked to AoE flavour, or failing that a Fearsome Stare clone?

I'm not wrong, and Domination does still matter. Mez protection? You think that makes no difference? Then try the full endurance recharge, even more important now Doms use more EPS.

I reckon Illusion Control would be fine as is.

More to the point I think it'd be overpowered if one of the Invises was dropped in favour of another AOE control power, especially a AOE Fear one. You could double / triple stack fears with 2 powers (thanks to the way Spectral Terror works).

Give Spectral Terror grant a good chunk of Domipoints (what are they called?) when summoned, ditto with PAs and maybe drop the animation time of Deceive a bit to allow it to be used more as a staple control power.

Edit : Also is there any reason they couldn't attach a second AOE fear effect to the Spectral Terror summoning power if Domination was running?

[ QUOTE ]
I'm not wrong, and Domination does still matter. Mez protection? You think that makes no difference? Then try the full endurance recharge, even more important now Doms use more EPS.

[/ QUOTE ]

Well as I've been testing the dom changes over the last few nights using a verity of doms ranging fro 5 to 32 i can say that I've had no real endurance problems I still save domination for Hard fights which are fewer on test as the higher damage overall makes fights easier. So i've found i need domination up less than i do on live.

[ QUOTE ]
I reckon Illusion Control would be fine as is.

More to the point I think it'd be overpowered if one of the Invises was dropped in favour of another AOE control power, especially a AOE Fear one. You could double / triple stack fears with 2 powers (thanks to the way Spectral Terror works).

Give Spectral Terror grant a good chunk of Domipoints (what are they called?) when summoned, ditto with PAs and maybe drop the animation time of Deceive a bit to allow it to be used more as a staple control power.

Edit : Also is there any reason they couldn't attach a second AOE fear effect to the Spectral Terror summoning power if Domination was running?

[/ QUOTE ]


Not that I can think of tho it could be as simple as marking Domination as a Inherited buff for Spectral terror that way if It was summoned after domination was triggered it would receive the benefits granted by domination e.g increased mez duration and magnitude.

[ QUOTE ]
Edit : Also is there any reason they couldn't attach a second AOE fear effect to the Spectral Terror summoning power if Domination was running?

[/ QUOTE ]

The effect of domination is coded individually into each power, it does a check to see if "domination" is active. I.e. it doesn't work like Power Boost. Since the spectral terror is a seperate entity to the dominator, it can't know if domination is up or not.

You could code the power to summon two Spectral Terrors if domination where up I guess.

Or indeed a larger Phantom Army.

I'd rather have it that they converted Illusion Control into a MM primary

....but but but....what about dark blasters?

Illusion control could make a rather cool MM set and I don't see why Dominators and masterminds cant both have a illusion themed set.



As for Dark blasters what they have to do with Illusion i have no idea

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Edit : Also is there any reason they couldn't attach a second AOE fear effect to the Spectral Terror summoning power if Domination was running?

[/ QUOTE ]

The effect of domination is coded individually into each power, it does a check to see if "domination" is active. I.e. it doesn't work like Power Boost. Since the spectral terror is a seperate entity to the dominator, it can't know if domination is up or not.


[/ QUOTE ]

I know that, that's exactly what I'm saying, modify the Domis Spectral Terror Summoning power to give it a Domination-checked extra effect.

[ QUOTE ]

You could code the power to summon two Spectral Terrors if domination where up I guess.

Or indeed a larger Phantom Army.

[/ QUOTE ]

Not two spectral terrors, more like a one-off 16 second AOE Fear effect, so the summoning power is boosted by Domination in a way.

I like the idea of extra PAs if you're in Domination too, that'd be cool (but unlikely to happen).

[ QUOTE ]
I'd rather have it that they converted Illusion Control into a MM primary


[/ QUOTE ]
Masterminds are getting Demons though. Stop being greedy

[quote
[ QUOTE ]
I'd rather have it that they converted Illusion Control into a MM primary


[/ QUOTE ]
Masterminds are getting Demons though. Stop being greedy

[/ QUOTE ]

No! We're evil! The world will be ours, so be glad we're just after the power sets right now!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.