Merits


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This post is aimed around the merits that TF's give as a reward. My suggestion is that we are able to trade merits between our own charactors only?

You definitly shouldn't be allowed to trade between other people. But i think you should be able to trade them between your own charactors on that account. Maybe you can put them in a bank thats in Galaxy city, and then return with any of your other charactors to claim them?

The reason i say this is because the main way of earning them is by doing the TFs and that means you need to do that TF on the char you want to earn it on. Sometimes team make up means that isn't possible, you need to switch, and now you have 24 merits on an empath thats never gonna use them. I think as the TF was completed by him, he should be able to use the reward on any char he wants.

As this can be a little open to abuse, i think maybe you should limit the merits allowed to be banked or claimed a day.

Any feedback about this idea? And has it been suggested before? If it has and you link me, i'll then delete this post.


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I wouldn't mind seeing merits switched from a character based reward to account based reward so any merits earned would go into a central merit fund that you could then draw from.


 

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Sometimes team make up means that isn't possible, you need to switch, and now you have 24 merits on an empath thats never gonna use them.

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This is the number one reason I dislike merits.

However I believe that the last statement I saw on the matter from the Devs indicated that nothing is going to be changing on this front unfortunately. If I can, I'll find the link.


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No limits. You earn them within the correct game structure (eg with no exploits used) then you should be able to use them on any character. For method I'd use a similar claim system to how MA rating tickets work. When you go to a merit vendor all earned Merits for that account are visible.


 

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Sometimes team make up means that isn't possible, you need to switch, and now you have 24 merits on an empath thats never gonna use them.

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This is the number one reason I dislike merits.

However I believe that the last statement I saw on the matter from the Devs indicated that nothing is going to be changing on this front unfortunately. If I can, I'll find the link.

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This is why im constantly confused by people saying they dislike merits. Before merits you had to work through a taskforce to get that random drop. Now you can work through a taskforce and possibly get multiple random drops.

The end result is the same, you have to TRADE the recipe you want on another character over. The only difference being is that its now far easier/quicker to get the one you want.


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I don't dislike merits. I do dislike not being able to pool my resources to actually use the few I do have.


 

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Wouldn't this encourage armies of fire/kin destruction to farm merits, then transfer them to less efficient but more interesting characters? (I realise there's a lot of irony that this might occur but I have no doubt whatsoever that it would)


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I don't dislike merits. I do dislike not being able to pool my resources to actually use the few I do have.

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So a way in which to trade items over globally?

I dont know, personally i just think thats a bad idea. With the MA tickets, the only thing thats global is people ratings so cant be exploited. Merits are VERY exploitable using the right ATs.

[but yeah i see your point and i do KIND of agree because its easy enough to trade over anyway, just . . . . . something (and i dont know what) thats saying no to me]


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if theres one thing coh is missing its inter-character trading, always been one of those annoyances for me. Inf, merits, enhanc etc I don't want to join or create a SG just to enjoy what should be an inclusive feature.


 

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Wouldn't this encourage armies of fire/kin destruction to farm merits, then transfer them to less efficient but more interesting characters? (I realise there's a lot of irony that this might occur but I have no doubt whatsoever that it would)

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fire/kins are one the least usefull ATs to farm merits.


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Wouldn't this encourage armies of fire/kin destruction to farm merits, then transfer them to less efficient but more interesting characters? (I realise there's a lot of irony that this might occur but I have no doubt whatsoever that it would)

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fire/kins are one the least usefull ATs to farm merits.

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I've been in 8 man fire/kin TFs. We've all split and run around the map and do the TFs incredily quickly. It could easily be farmed by them. It could also be open to abuse my doing say the Croatoa TF of multiple charactors once a day. This is why i added the "it should be limited" to it.


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Wouldn't this encourage armies of fire/kin destruction to farm merits, then transfer them to less efficient but more interesting characters? (I realise there's a lot of irony that this might occur but I have no doubt whatsoever that it would)

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fire/kins are one the least usefull ATs to farm merits.

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I've been in 8 man fire/kin TFs. We've all split and run around the map and do the TFs incredily quickly. It could easily be farmed by them. It could also be open to abuse my doing say the Croatoa TF of multiple charactors once a day. This is why i added the "it should be limited" to it.

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An 8 man team farming say the ITF can probs after practice do it in about 30 - 40 minutes MAX. Now thats a team thats practiced it and took a while to do it for a total of 25 (or is it 27 now, cant remember) merits.

I can personally get 30/40 merits an hour solo, in a team that got "shown the way" also, im certain it could EASILY get trippled.

Though obviously there is a huge debate about what is the best way to get merits quicker, some people believe taskforces are the fastest way whereas others (myself included) look at the other options

Edit: Now not to say your method could indeed be faster, however the time it takes to set up + risk taken into account, i'ld honestly have to say tf farms are not the best option (my personal opinion).

Edit2: Also have to take into consideration DR on merit rewards via taskforces which gives the other options the victory! ^_^


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Wouldn't this encourage armies of fire/kin destruction to farm merits, then transfer them to less efficient but more interesting characters? (I realise there's a lot of irony that this might occur but I have no doubt whatsoever that it would)

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fire/kins are one the least usefull ATs to farm merits.

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I've been in 8 man fire/kin TFs. We've all split and run around the map and do the TFs incredily quickly. It could easily be farmed by them. It could also be open to abuse my doing say the Croatoa TF of multiple charactors once a day. This is why i added the "it should be limited" to it.

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An 8 man team farming say the ITF can probs after practice do it in about 30 - 40 minutes MAX. Now thats a team thats practiced it and took a while to do it for a total of 25 (or is it 27 now, cant remember) merits.

I can personally get 30/40 merits an hour solo, in a team that got "shown the way" also, im certain it could EASILY get trippled.

Though obviously there is a huge debate about what is the best way to get merits quicker, some people believe taskforces are the fastest way whereas others (myself included) look at the other options

Edit: Now not to say your method could indeed be faster, however the time it takes to set up + risk taken into account, i'ld honestly have to say tf farms are not the best option (my personal opinion).

Edit2: Also have to take into consideration DR on merit rewards via taskforces which gives the other options the victory! ^_^

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I am guessing you have misread the point of my post. My post isn't about whether 8 man fire/kin teams are the fastest at getting merits or not. They may be, the may not be that is totally un-importanted.

The point of the post was to re-instate the fact that i pointed out in the first post, having the suggestion that i made would be open to abuse. And that is why i said that a daily limiter should be in place.

I do not mind which chars get the merits as such, i do around 3 TFs a day usually so within a week i've earnt enough merits on each char to buy what i want and then trade it. I just think it should be good to have a system to allow trading between our own charactors. (Side dependant, Heroes still can't give to Villians and vice-versa)


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In all fairness, you did mention it in your first post. I must have missed it.


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Sometimes team make up means that isn't possible, you need to switch, and now you have 24 merits on an empath thats never gonna use them.

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This is the number one reason I dislike merits.

However I believe that the last statement I saw on the matter from the Devs indicated that nothing is going to be changing on this front unfortunately. If I can, I'll find the link.

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This is why im constantly confused by people saying they dislike merits. Before merits you had to work through a taskforce to get that random drop. Now you can work through a taskforce and possibly get multiple random drops.

The end result is the same, you have to TRADE the recipe you want on another character over. The only difference being is that its now far easier/quicker to get the one you want.

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Yes, but as a casual player, I have say, 20 odd merits on about 6 of my characters, mainly from playing through story arcs and providing a useful AT for a TF/SF or two. Now if I could put them all into a pile, I might actually be able to afford something. For now, they sit in my salvage tray looking shiny. And useless.

(Rant about my hatred for Merit Vendors deleted as it's not pertinent to this discussion. )


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The current system in my opinion is far better than the previous one as in the previous one in 1 year of doing TF's and I mean quite alot I have only ever picked up maybe 2 recipes I'd consider valuable that being a LotG +rech and a Numina proc thats 2 out of over 100 TF's while merits have delivered me over 10 such nice recipes in less than half that time and only about half of the TF's to do it.

It might not be perfect for everyone but it suits me just fine.


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I don't dislike merits. I do dislike not being able to pool my resources to actually use the few I do have.

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So a way in which to trade items over globally?

I dont know, personally i just think thats a bad idea. With the MA tickets, the only thing thats global is people ratings so cant be exploited. Merits are VERY exploitable using the right ATs.

[but yeah i see your point and i do KIND of agree because its easy enough to trade over anyway, just . . . . . something (and i dont know what) thats saying no to me]

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I have 2 accounts, I'm quite capable of using merits to buy something and then securely trade it to the character I want to use the item on. But because I'm not that bothered about running TFs and at the moment I tend to play MA Arcs which are generally more fun than doing content which for the most part I have done at least once before (more often is more likely). I'm not actually earning enough Merits on any one character for it to be of any use. Allowing me to pool my resources on a per account basis would actually allow me to use the much vaunted things.


 

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*is happy*

First time i've suggested something and more than one person agrees


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I agree on this because otherwise MA tickets are more beneficial than Merits, which doesn't really give an incentive to doing Task Forces, or, well, teaming


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And yet, you don't see people wanting to do regular MA missions for tickets in the same number as people clawing to get their toon into the ITF or the sex one (you know, the LGTF... that's an acronym faux-pas waiting to happen).

Or maybe it's just they don't want to team with me for MA tickets...


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I think its more the teaming thing than not wanting to do MA. Logged on earlier to steal a name from one of my alts and I did a quick /sea to see if villains was busier. There was a tonne of people in CAD and hardly any teamed........ hmmmmm


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Well 2bh if im running through MA missions (which is most of the time atm) then i rarely team since i do so for the story/lol moments.

Wouldnt hesitate joining/creating a team though for MA, just as long as good arcs were guaranteed and not "play my arc!!!" teams.


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Oh I agree, I joined a team with Mr Z for a review, would a I join a random team doing random missions on the MA? I'd sooner PuG SSTF1


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They were appropriately appalled
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I personally think there's a lot of things that should be made account wide instead of character specific.

A load of badges (the epic ones at least, and exploration), merits, Vanguard merits, pvp reputation, invention memorization, etc. It's A QoL issue worth adressing since the games main selling point is the "replayability". (How many other games do you make more than 20 alts on?)

F'coz, noone of any stature will care to read this [censored] anyway, so I'm going to bed, disillusioned as usual. (f'coz I had to force a moan in there)