Hamidon for villains


Bananas

 

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As the title suggest at some point i want to try and get hamidon done on the villain side, since the heroes side almost has hami raids down in an organised way.

with pain domination we should have a better chance of going for the win, however a few issues come up when i propose this idea.

1. Turn out, can we get the numbers we need for this and of the right archtypes too since it's more then saying hey guys show up here and lets try and beat hami.

2. Tweaks to the plan i havn't quite gotten my head around changing the plan but how much would we have to change to get this to work for villain side. Ive got a few ideas but i want to hear the public's vote on this too. For example a diversionary tactic could be employed to help with alpha we could use masterminds with a high recharge to send there pets in to distract hami at the alpha to allow people to get to their positions better.

Anyway if anyone has any suggestions or just wants to say yes i would be up for this, i want to hear your opinions so feel free to post anything.


 

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Sign me up

I'm by no means expert and I've only got 2 villains at 50 so I'm not sure if I could suggest a viable strategy... but I'm happy to help and I think Mauve will if she can get her villain to 50 in time



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You can count me in.
The only 50 I have lain side is a MM though.


 

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Hamidon Raid Strategy: Villain-side Adaptations

Teams and Team Instructions

Mastermind Pet Stream
6 Masterminds and 2 Kinetics (no EOE's required)

The team should set up behind a rock pillar near the north outcrop area, and as close to Hamidon as possible. Nobody on the team should be exposed to direct line of sight to Hamidon or the mitos, as they will have agro transferred to them and be within range of the Hami/mito blasts, drawing them to the team (also don't recall any pets back to the rock for the same reason).

When the signal is given for the pet stream to start, Masterminds will summon their pets, starting with minions, and send them in to attack Hamidon. They should try to keep up a constant stream of pets heading into the goo. To do this, they should alternate and stagger their summons among them, taking turns but keeping the stream constant. After a minute or so, the stream should be spread enough that there are always pets heading into the goo. With the help of the kinetics Speed Boosting, minions should recharge in roughly 20 secs, lieutenants in 40 secs, and bosses in 60 secs. No upgrade buffs need be applied; the purpose is to distract Hami and whatever else they can before they die.



Brute Agro Squad
2 teams of: 3-5 brutes and 3 support heal/rez/buffers (brutes will need EOE's: 2+ each x 4 blooms, 48 minimum raid total)

Each team will be in charge of controlling the agro from 3 yellow mitos. The teams should set up on opposite sides of Hamidon (the east main staging area, and opposite on the west side of hami). Communication between the brute team leaders, and among their own brutes, is essential! Each brute must know precisely which mito they are responsible for. Recommend that the team leaders decide which 2 mitos are their 'center' ones, and assign brutes to center, right and left from that. If setting up at the east and west rock outcroppings it is quite easy to locate these two 'center' mitos, as they are the ones directly in front of the area. Each mito should also assigned a buffer to look after the health and status resist buffs of the brutes attacking it. Extra brutes should be assigned around to the mitos to help kill them. Two brutes on a yellow should have no problem SMASHing it down. Note: Brutes with any form of flight are highly preferred.

On their start signal, the brutes will eat an EOE and rush to their assigned yellow mitos and engage them. The supporters will follow the brutes at a distance, keeping them healed and spammed with stacked mez resist. The support AT's need to remain outside of the aoe splash effect of the mito attack, but within range of their powers. Brutes can assist with this by keeping to the outside edge of the goo and remaining as stationary as possible while attacking. When a yellow mito is killed, move to the next nearest one and help to kill it as well.



Assault Teams
Everyone else at the raid in balanced teams of damage and support (no EOE's required)

Special attention should be given to having enough Dominators, as the first targets are the green mitos which must be held to kill (mag 100!). Flight and Group Flight for the teams is a bonus. Dark Miasma AT's are also desired for Fear resists. Stalkers should avoid trying to AS and use their biggest normal attacks with crits instead. Masterminds in the assault teams should refrain from summoning pets at this time, as they can interfere with the pet streams trying to hold Hami agro.

The assault teams all follow a single raid targeter, who will engage the green mitos first. Green mitos have a force field which must first be dropped by applying holds to it. Dominators should use Domination as soon as it's available! Everyone else with a hold should be using it. Once held and the green's field is dropped, damage will quickly kill it, and the targeter will move on to the next green. When all greens are down, clear the blues. Spam healing aoe's, and keep any aoe buffs on (Shadow Fall, bubbles, etc).




Strategy

It is highly recommended that the raid leader conduct the raid from a 'spotter' location above Hamidon. Looking down like this on the action really helps to get an idea how the raid is progressing and when to issue instructions.

The raid leader will announce the start of the mito phase by telling the MM Pet team to begin sending their pets at Hamidon (staggered as described above). The raid leader will watch as this takes shape, and once stable (ie there is a constant presence of pets inside the goo) will announce the start of the buffing cycle and attack phases in Request channel:

Quote:

MASTERMIND PETS ARE STABLE!
MITO ATTACK BEGINNING IN 1 MINUTEĀ…BEGIN BUFFING YOUR TEAMS (STACK MEZ RESISTS, ETC)!
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30 SECONDS...BRUTE SQUADS GET READY!
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20 SECONDS...BRUTE SQUADS ENGAGE YELLOW MITOS NOW!!!
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10 SECONDS...ASSAULT TEAMS READY!
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0...ASSAULT TEAMS FOLLOW THE TARGET IN...GO!!!




It is very important to make sure at each phase that the proper dynamic is working. MM pet stream must be stable before sending in brutes. Brutes must be stable and holding the yellow mitos' attention while remaining alive before sending in the assault teams. If the pets are all dead, or if the brutes have lost a single yellow mito agro, don't proceed with the next phase. Abort and reset...it'll save you time in the long run.

With the MM pets keeping Hamidon agro and loose mitos on them, brutes keeping the attention of the yellow mitos and SMASHing them down, and the assault teams killing off the healing greens, the mitos should be overwhelmed in just a few minutes. Once the mitos are all down, everyone will turn their attention to Hamidon.

At this point, the raiders should move to Hami to kill it. Keep to the opposite side of the group of MM pets to avoid splash damage. A taunt squad of brutes can also move to the side to help draw off Hami blasts away from the rest of the attackers.

When Hami nears the mito bloom percentages (75%, 50%, 25% once each), a recaller from each team (preferably with rez) should return to the east staging area and be ready to pull their team out to rez and regroup. Get everyone back up and into position for the next mito run.


Issues Remaining

The key to successfully pulling this off is a well-run set of Brute teams. They must know their jobs, and their support must keep them going, to allow the rest of the raid to succeed. Brutes are taking the brunt of the assault, and the success of the raid is anchored on them. Unlike the hero-side though, there are not two types of teams that need strict coordination (tankers and scrappers). The Mastermind pet stream is relatively cheap and easy to maintain compared to the tank team. But lack of empathy buffs available on villains means brutes are in a more tenuous position. Better and faster recovery between blooms is another area that needs attention. Even hero-side, regrouping and recovery is a big time-sink to the raid.

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Here's a guide i used for planning my last Union Villians attempt.. all i can say to add is i made the mistake to advertise lol.. next one i do i will source peeps rather than broadcast..

choose depicated people for leadership of each team, someone u can trust to do their teams job etc.. u could also ask them to source members of their own teams Broadcasting it will get u alot of numbers this is true.. but also alot of nimmers who cant a will not take direction and just run round sayin "yo listen up this is how we do this" followed by a headlong charge into the hami with his Ubar toon.. this = epic fail.. gud luck to you tho and i hope the guide helps you attempt. Grav


 

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WoW thanks a lot for that grav

That's sorta what i had planned for masterminds but this way works out even better, could even have a /TA and /dark mastermind on the team for mas rez's if needed.


 

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I'm always up for trying this again. The two attempts villain side that was serious turned out bad for mainly one reason:
People just showed up. No nukes, No EoE, hadn't read guides etc. It was a total disaster from beginning to very swift end.

The 3rd time we tried it we wheren't nearly "full" but managed to get quite far before we decided we'd never be able to go all the way. Was good for a laugh and also showed it's definitely possible when people do their job.

Some other tips: Brutes are not tankers. They can't take the same damage. It's hard to find good MMs (might make some people angry, but I'll take it) and there's not that many villains but most of us knows most of us and we're really, really good.

I suggest spreading it out over a few days, spending one "event" to gather EoE's (and people can of course do that whenever they want if they get some people together for it). That also gives the leader a chance to get to know the "crowd" and plenty of time to do the "real thing" once we do it without a lot of pick-up's running scared when their pointless insps doesn't work and they start dying!

Also, on the US forums there's a few good villain-side guides, basically adaptations of the hero side ones.

...and Yes, I have a lvl 50 PD corr! It's not nearly as good as my purp'd up thermal, but...

Basically, most villains will have anything you want. Ask for it and we'll give it to you!


 

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Count me in 50 SS/Elec Brute

I should be able to join the Aggro group, but I suggest you pick for melee damage, which is what I slotted him for.


 

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Count me in for this assuming its an evening run. Never done a hami run, so this should be great fun


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depending on when it is I'll help out!

Just a thought but having the team leaders on some sort of voice comm may help to co-ordiate things.


@kisana

 

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Love to have another go at Hami!
Would prefer my radcorr, but happy to join on any other toon I've got if it helps


"Style before purpose"

 

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Up for this. I have every type of villain AT (bar VEATs; they're on Union) too.


"I know 653 ways to kill a man. Fist to the face is #56."

 

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Should also point out that most brutes don't have taunt and there's a huge shortage of rad secondaries (AM) villain side.


 

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Depends when I would like a go at this.

System 11 lvl50 DB/WP Brute

or

Evil One lvl50 Fire/Dark Corrupter

The Brute has some taunt but not great at taking damage.

Corrupter has full range of Fire and most of the Dark set


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Wouldn't mind another attempt at taking down the Hamidon.

Can bring any of the following depending on what might be wanted/needed:

Plant/Thorn Dominator
Ice/Kinetics Corruptor
Electric/Pain Corruptor
Robots/Force Fields Mastermind


@Nanas (on Defiant)

 

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If we get a date, I'm sure I can bring all the smurfs back for a one-night appearance too of course. That's another 8 top veterans that tried the first 2 hamiraids villain side.


 

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If we get a date, I'm sure I can bring all the smurfs back for a one-night appearance too of course. That's another 8 top veterans that tried the first 2 hamiraids villain side.

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Awesome

Ill prob wait a month or so after the heroes hamidon raid before trying the villains one due to RL issues, stupid coursework why can't it just do it's self


 

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If i can get my MM up to 50 I'd love to send my bots into the mix.... really need to concentrate on getting him to 50... DXP weekend left him so close but still so far away


 

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I would be very interested in this,

necro/poison MM
nrg/nrg brute (with taunt and temp fly power)
and a claws/elec stalker... not ideal but you never know

i wouldn't be able to do it sunday afternoon like its done blue side though


 

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Yep give us a date mcx and myself,london, rhi, cooked etc will turn up.

We dont play much now but will pop back on for this for you


 

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How's 12th of April at 1pm sound?


 

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I might be able to do that, not 100% sure cause I might be in France but that's looking to be cancelled.

I can bring a pile of zombies waiting to die


"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"

 

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again..and again..and again...


 

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It will be a shame to see the Lich die though, am used to it being dismissed on my death and out surviving everything


"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"

 

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How's 12th of April at 1pm sound?

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You know... that's my birthday...
The one thing that might keep me away from this sort of thing, so it really gave me a long, good laugh. I needed that!