I kind of agree, on some of my lowbie villains I have struggled fighing an EB at pre-stamina levels. After that I have never had a problem with an EB on any character.
I think hero side seems to scale between Lt, Boss, EB, AV better than villain side where some people are at least EB's (Even on heroic).
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Well, heroside has some lowbie missions where EB stays EB too, like first Faultline arc and Vahzilok disease arc... On the other hand, maybe it's just my, but it seems that villains are better EB-soloers on average. (Then again, I only have 2 or 3 fairly lowbie villains.)
Neither signed nor unsigned... I mostly solo myself, but on the other hand teaming (and starring)-encouraging features are a good thing overall, IMHO, and disabling one of those won't do that much good...
Scrappers are good EB soloers, and tankers are okay to, but just about anything can solo an EB with a few purple insps.
I don't have any objection to an easier difficulty setting, although I wouldn't use it myself, however I think it would be more useful to get rid of the purple triangle power on AVs downgraded to EBs.
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I like EBs/AVs. It's not about speeding through the missions. I like the fact that you get somewhere then have to stop and actually think.
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Problem is that when you get to higher levels, almost every arc has an EB or sometimes more than one. Fine for your average melee type and some controllers, not quite so funny for your support character trying to get some arcs out of the way because while everybody wants you on their team, they only want to do their own missions... I'd support a no ED option even if it meant lesser rewards, I like my squishies but some things are next to impossible for them.
Not sure i like this Idea EBs normally represent a named character and to my mind they should be a cut above a standard Boss.
If it was to be implemented i recon it would need to be a difficulty setting below heroic with lesser rewards etc
I think the OP is talking about running missions on Invincible ("every opponent is a proper challenge"), but with an EB rather than an AV at the end... rather than talking about getting rid of EBs from missions.
Although some of my characters still view AVs as a speedbump... I'm hoping that with the Issue 14 mission creator I'll be able to make a full map of Elite Boss level mobs with a proper AV at the end. Scrapper Heaven!! 
I disagree. Not everything is meant to be solo content or sped thru at quickest possible pace.
If that's the case the /unsigned if your running on invincible you should get a AV if you don't want a AV don't run on invincible
I think the OP is talking about running on 4th, so that you get lots of yellow/orange mobs, which are challenging, but without the EB at the end which they find too hard/slow/whatever.
But if you need help with an EB or whatever then ask people. The other day I joined a duo who were struggling with an EB, helped them with the EB, left them to it for the next mission and came back 10 mins later when they were at another EB. It is a good way to make new friends 
and allowed me to stay in WW while still helping people out.
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I agree. When I got my first character up in the level 30-40's I was frustrated with every other mission/arc having an EB in it. Even though it was a scrapper I played it.
Making EB's optional would be a good idea for squishy characters or just when you don't want to fight EB's all the time.
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Can't say as how I've ever been particularly bothered by EBs even on squishier characters. Heck, even if I'm playing a squishier character I can generally take down a full fledged AV by popping a Shivan.
The other thing is that there honestly aren't that many arcs heroside that feature EBs/AVs.
Aside from the three Faultline ones and a few on the Ouroboros TFs, we've got: Frostfire, Atta, Dr. Vahzilok, Heracles, Maestro, Envoy of Shadow, Terra, Countess Crey, Madame of Mystery, 'Nemesis?', Nosferatu, Portal Corp Missions (Dreck, Preatorians, Babbage and the Psychic Clockwork King). Did I miss any...?
I could understand it if this was redside though. Some of those arcs are more random in EB/AV placement.
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Aside from the three Faultline ones and a few on the Ouroboros TFs, we've got: Frostfire, Atta, Dr. Vahzilok, Heracles, Maestro, Envoy of Shadow, Terra, Countess Crey, Madame of Mystery, 'Nemesis?', Nosferatu, Portal Corp Missions (Dreck, Preatorians, Babbage and the Psychic Clockwork King). Did I miss any..?
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Malta Titans? (although they re sometimes GMs or Monsters...)
I can't support this suggestion. With a few exceptions EBs are signature or exceptional characters that are supposed to be a cut above the rest. Most EBs are only EBs when soloing as their "normal" status is that of an AV/Hero.
So no, making them anything less than an EB would be a double downgrade and they'd become just another mob instead of a notable opponent.
By the time you've reached the 30-40's it's pretty much a given that you've teamed at some point (unless you're deliberately trying to avoid getting involved with the rest of the community) and it's not unreasonable to expect teaming to be a staple for most players at that level of the game.
If you can't take an EB on your own then ask for help, I'm sure there are people in your SG or friends list that would be willing to help. Unless you've been playing CoX as a single player game. 
Finally, remember, not every AT was designed with the idea of going one on one with an EB.
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I think the OP is talking about running on 4th, so that you get lots of yellow/orange mobs, which are challenging, but without the EB at the end which they find too hard/slow/whatever.
But if you need help with an EB or whatever then ask people. The other day I joined a duo who were struggling with an EB, helped them with the EB, left them to it for the next mission and came back 10 mins later when they were at another EB. It is a good way to make new friends and allowed me to stay in WW while still helping people out.
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It is frustrating to have to ask for help time and again. Especially at hours where hardly anybody is online.
I am indeed not asking for an easier setting then heroic (though for my squishies that would'nt be a bad idea). But yes I like to be able to run a mission at a setting that is challenging (sometimes that is heroic mind you) and then encountering an eb is not something you can deal with.
For those who argue that not everything is meant to be soloed. There should be a viable way to level up solo without bumping into an eb every od mission or having to resolve to boring radio missions. I love doing arcs. I hate not being able to solo them. If i occasionaly have to ask for help thats ok but not multiple times for each single arc.
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Invincible isn't all that challenging. they only remotely challeging things in game are EBs and AVs.
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You must be playing a real team orentated character if you can't deal with an EB.
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bumping into an eb every od mission
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A massivle exageration of the frequency of EBs.
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I am indeed not asking for an easier setting then heroic (though for my squishies that would'nt be a bad idea). But yes I like to be able to run a mission at a setting that is challenging (sometimes that is heroic mind you) and then encountering an eb is not something you can deal with.
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Just lower the diff for the missions with EBs in them.
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For those who argue that not everything is meant to be soloed. There should be a viable way to level up solo without bumping into an eb every od mission or having to resolve to boring radio missions. I love doing arcs. I hate not being able to solo them. If i occasionaly have to ask for help thats ok but not multiple times for each single arc.
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bumping into an eb every od mission
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A massive exageration of the frequency of EBs.
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I do understand why he doesn't just lower the diff, because that just means you easily kill everything to get to the one mob that is a challenge, when he would rather have a full map full of challenge without the obstacle at the end that he cannot get past.
But I also agree that there are not 'that' many EB's. And hero side when soloing even people like Dr Vahz isn't an EB, hell he was a Lt for me once!
The contacts always (I think) warn you to bring a team on the EB missions, so either bring a team, leave the mission and do one of the others you can get until you can get a team, or drop the mission and move onto the next one.
As for not always being able to find someone online I see that written far too often, if you play at strange times then it makes sense to meet other who play at strange times and then it will become easier to find people in future.
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As for not always being able to find someone online I see that written far too often, if you play at strange times then it makes sense to meet other who play at strange times and then it will become easier to find people in future.
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Or get a second account.
It might be that whatever alt you're on at the time isn't capable of taking down an Elite Boss or Archvillain by itself (even with Shivans) but there's not an AV in the game outside of Task Forces that can't be duoed by a decent damage dealer plus a well-built support toon. That goes for many GMs too...
I think a 2nd account is a bit far to beat a few EB's
But if you find yourself on at strange times I am sure finding friends with similar playing hours would not only make EB's easier but it would improve the game in general surely?
I know it is easier said than done finding good people to be friends with but they are out there, and even I have managed it and I am unsociable 
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More easy mode?
No thanks.
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This problem most often occurs on the red side. I dare say that the amount of eb's in missions is substantially higher then blue side. Or at least that is how it feels to me.
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You must be playing a real team orentated character if you can't deal with an EB.
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The idea is that I am playing my toon at the highest possible setting where i got a good fight from my opponents.
An EB at that settings is just to much.
My point is that an EB should NOT be the deciding factor if a mission is challenging or not. I want every mob in the mission to be a threat. NOT only the end of level nasty where the rest is a pushover.
I like to have an option as part of the reputation system where you can put the option that EB's or worse do not appear when you SOLO.
Why?
Because they are unnecessary speedbumps. I rather play a mission where each and every opponent is a proper challenge then play a mission set on the lowest setting so I can steamroll over anything except the EB. A challenging mission does not have to mean there must be an End of level Nasty in it.