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Yes because paedophilia is curable. I mean, it's a sexual deviance after all.

ELECTROSHOCK FOR ALL, ESPECIALLY THE HOMOSEXUALS. AMIRITE?

It's not a disease, there is no excuse to hide behind. There is no "I can't help it, it's not my fault".

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I will agree on one thing....lock this thread, its a political mine field just waiting for someone to come into it and get blown away.

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Yes because paedophilia is curable. I mean, it's a sexual deviance after all.

ELECTROSHOCK FOR ALL, ESPECIALLY THE HOMOSEXUALS. AMIRITE?

It's not a disease, there is no excuse to hide behind. There is no "I can't help it, it's not my fault".

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It's all down to them being made to wear short trousers for too long and being bullied in school dont you know.

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Yes because paedophilia is curable. I mean, it's a sexual deviance after all.

ELECTROSHOCK FOR ALL, ESPECIALLY THE HOMOSEXUALS. AMIRITE?

It's not a disease, there is no excuse to hide behind. There is no "I can't help it, it's not my fault".

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It's all down to them being made to wear short trousers for too long and being bullied in school dont you know.

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Thats one way of putting it...
Avoiding further comments with opinions in. Tis indeed a minefield

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No, I got what you said fully. Just one question:
Why exactly would a registered sex offender ever get a job as a moderator of kids forums do you think?

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My reply-question, aimed at the people who should be making these decisions, would be;
Why is a sex-offender who was sentanced for chil-related incidents not in a mental ward?

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Because, while allright minded people would want to see them locked away forever or at least castrated, that aint gonna happen in our lifetime. We got to deal in the real world.

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Its not right, not by any means, and I would be quite shocked if anyone said it was. So we can classify something like that as an illness, at the very least. So maybe money should be put into actually trying to find a way to solve it, and if not then at least keep them out of harming other people and possibly themselves.

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Still in the real world, these people are more likely to reoffendwhen they are released than any other catagory of criminal offender. And, you find, a single pedo can be responsible for dozens of abuses! Or worse.
So in this real world, you got to protect your kids. And as an employer, If youre dealing with kids, be it the internet or face to face such as a teacher, it is only right to check them on the register.
It's no where near ideal but until something better comes along at least its something.
Like I said, if you were going to entrust an employee with lots of cash you would check them out first.

It's astounding that in the real world, you are arguing against the point, which is simple. Its right to screen moderators if they are on kids forums.

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Why is a sex-offender who was sentanced for chil-related incidents not in a mental ward?

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If i can answer the same point from a different tact..
it's also and moreso because, whilst the desire or even the compultion to offend with a child may well be as a result of an illness, the actual act of doing so isn't an illness.
Unless the court proves that the offender doesnt know right from wrong, the person, by submitting to the offence, knows what they have done.
And by reoffending, which almost every offender does, they are knowingly and conciously commiting a criminal and permanently harmful offense.

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Its not right, not by any means, and I would be quite shocked if anyone said it was. So we can classify something like that as an illness, at the very least. So maybe money should be put into actually trying to find a way to solve it, and if not then at least keep them out of harming other people and possibly themselves.

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A cure for these people has, to date, eluded even the top experts in the world. I forget the figures but something like 70% of released offenders multiple offend within 2 years of release. They are generally incurable at this point in time.
This isnt political. They generally cant be "cured." and the majority dont want to be.

So we're back to square one which is protecting our kids with the best tools we have.

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Don't get into a flap. It's only my opinion and I'm thick

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or at least castrated

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Wouldn't that turn them into hardcore PvPers?

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or at least castrated

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Wouldn't that turn them into hardcore PvPers?

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Such sharp wit.

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Hmm, actual logic.
Meh, Im not against it. Wouldnt make much difference if I was. Im simply saying that there should be a better way and certainly a way that would prevent there even being a chance of it happening. But hey oh.

And thanks for raising a grin, GG

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Oh, god. Lawyers.

Ran into this one just before Christmas - had to cancel a live webchat with Santa because a random lawyer popped out of nowhere (they do that), thought he'd need a CRB check, and blocked the project.

The CRB themselves, when I rang up, thought the request was pretty idiotic. An internet chatroom - particularly one like ours, which would have been on webcam and had PMs disabled - is a public forum where everyone can see what's going on - it's not like they could do anything.

Points to note:
- law regulates sites used "wholly or mainly" by children and vulnerable adults, which being tethered to a credit card subscription game, it ain't.

- A CRB check isn't actually that much of a pain to do anyway, so long as you tick the right boxes - it does just take a tedious hour of form filling and a three-week wait. (Unusually for UK.gov, the CRB people I've dealt with are very friendly, professional and helpful, and can walk you through this).

I foresee no doom for us here, sorry.

Warcraft (who use publically-available Game Time cards, and an army of mods) may have some minor issues, but could simply move their entire customer service team to their French offices and tell UK.gov to foudrez-nous le camp (ou quelquechose de tel).

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You're all (well, not all - some of you are being very sensible) being a little silly.

1. Parents should monitor their children. NOT to the point of shielding, but enough to keep them safe. The majority get this balance down perfectly, the rest have little excuse.
2. CRB checks take less time then credit rating checks. This is a good thing, unless you're trying to get a credit card. Freakin' Barclay's!
3. CRB checks are NOT foolproof. All sex offenders start somewhere, why not on an internet forum? By this I mean, any potential sex offender who has not committed a crime/been caught, will pass.
4. The police and social services should attempt to work with each other, not against. Increasing the number of policeman/social workers will not improve a damn thing until they start working together.
5. Stop complaining about "taxpayers" money, jeez. We all* (*majority) pay it, a good deal of us without complaint.

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Heh i learned my lesson from my first time discussion in this boards. Yeah Stasis is right about 1 and especially about 3. Sexual Offenders and even Serial Killers mostly noticed after they caught.

Taking step towards protecting children is a good step whatever the reason is.

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Maybe another way of looking at (the original debate) is like this:

Imagine you're a company that runs a service that is attractive to children and could involve your staff dealing directly with them over the internet.

Imagine that there's a list of people who have already been convicted of offences against children and it's fairly easy to check whether any new employees are on it as part of the interview process. The list is already available, you didn't have to pay for it and none of your staff are going to end up on any register just for carrying out the check.

Would you run the check?

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Ah another example of the law not grasping the bloody obvious. Almost all of the stories I have read about people grooming minors, have had the words instant message and chat room in them. To me forums are not the problem. Yes you can message people but that stays in the system. Instant messaging software and the online chatrooms that get cited as being used are the things that need moderating not forums.

It is also another example of a law that there is little to no chance of anyone actually being able to police. It takes very little effort to set up a forum and become the moderator of it. There are also so many forums out there that the sheer number makes it impossible to police.

To me it would make more sense to say that people with convictions for interfering with things that should not be touched, should be to have all internet access removed. Although this doesn't stop the oddballs that haven't been caught yet.

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